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A ARIA RODRIGUEZ . Wl!D.b\11 OF LOPEZ SAID A SON IN
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LIVES ·Ar 212 JEFFEitSON PARRISH, TEL VERNON 5-9558. ·
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HAS ·:TAPED,. CONVERSATIONS WITH OSWALD! ..!_.. . I
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Information That ERNESTO RODRIGUEZ,
New Orleins, Louisiana, Possessed Tape
Recordings of OSWALD's Spanish
T-17 advised as follows:
On November 27, 1953, a widow named Mrs MARIA
RODRIGUEZ DE LOPEZ made the statement in l'ilexico F., Mexico,
that her son-in-law, a Cuban named ERNESTO RODRIGUEZ, 212
Jefferson Parish, New Orleans, Louisiana, telepho No.
Vernon 5-9658, operates a Spanish school in New eans and
had tape recordings of Spanish conversations by Mrs ..
  DE LOPEZ stated her son is opposed to an Premier
FIDEL CASTRO, ·
According to the first confidential
ERNESTO RODRIGUEZ, President of the Modern
New Orleans, Louisiana, advised that;OSWALD cont
one occasion during the last week of· July or ear
1963, and inquired concerning a Spanish·-ianguage
at the Institute. OSWALD did not take any
RODRIGUEZ had no taped recordings of OSWALD's vo
no knowledge of OSWALD's Spanish-speaking abilit
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·RODRIGUZZ at the Berlitz School of 1 at 1205
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Charles Street. HR. RODRIGUEZ vlas very copperati ve and
said that he vTO\.tld help us i .n any he could.
Upon shmdng hir.t the "Crus2.de to Free Cu1,a" letterhead, he
said thc1t he \vas · a mcnilier of the city-\vidc which \'laS
primarily formed to solicit funds to finance the
He said that of the American that on the
'letterhead mainly put on there in an cffoft to make the
crusade to be more respectable and legi and was
primarily t .o solicit funds. He said they did not taY:e a
very active part in the entire crusade.
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Upon shoHing him BRINGUIER's proclamation, he that he did
not know mucn about the groups on the proclarnatioi:1 and t11at th(!
person to contact abcut thc ra \'/Ould be CARLOS Bi n:GUIE::::.. He
et'.!S'JCStcd that •,;(;! c':lntac'!:,.   PIEDPJ':. \·:or}:.cd for.
the Cl.1ban Intelligence Force and may be able t ' furnish us
with files on cubans. He did say that all of
the groups, in his opin'im1 , c:rc t C:ay. He said
that BRINqUIER \vas dclpgatc for the Student and
··Lours BP...E'l' O , . .-as a delegate for Alpha 66. He ·
hm-1ever, is back in Hi ami. He says QUIROGA very active in
the orgunizu.tion and closely associated \·,·ith StUTH.
He ARCACni\ SHI'l'H I hm·;c·Jer, turned o;.1t to 1;>a a bad ho:-:\b::-i..:.
He suggested that w.c contact CJ'.RLOS DELNJr.:GA r.tay be able
to give us SC!".1C valuu.blc He said jthat he
RICl.RDO DAVIS very \'iell and · that, in lhis opinion,
DAVIS was a little bit crazy. I
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Ha remembcl:'s DAVIS trying to get him to go intd ..
with hi::i\ to manufacture kites. It seems RICAP.do DAVIS hc:.d a
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plan for a nc\" type of kite which he thought '"J uld m2ke a lot
of money. kTncn RODRIGUEZ refus ed to enter the

DAVIS became very angry and they a and
their friendship ended. After that DA IS \olen t to
I.1uerto Rico ; .. · i th hi s \vifc \·lho was a nativ'.! of czu;;: la, and
stayed there for a and returned to e U. S.
· It seems that RICAP.DO DAVIS \·:ent to Puerto Ric to go to ,,..or'i(
for some pco,!?le w1'lo an operation sir.1ilar t the SC;a
Stamps operation.
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He sr:,id thl-it he conld not ascertain fro:n nvcrsution wi t:-"1
w'hethcr OSi'lALD \·;as pro or anti-CASTRO. rmy that
the FBI talked. to h.im about this    
after the that
trying to locc.ltc ChRLOS !·!ARQlJEZ' pas!::-
ports und information on many He that he had
hcar.d that AP.CAC:IA had some of tho file:s. He said that
he no·:: kno;·r \vhcre. i>...J:'1C}\CnA is c:t the p1:'csc t . time. He
that he remembers FERRIS very ·.,.,ell as bel \'.ras such a
funny looxing mnn and most a; the Cubans him as a big
joke. . . · ·
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·group and used to hold classes in his apartr:1'en . · The Cubans
};:ne\v that FERRIE had bcon fired froH Eastern l\ · rlincs because
of his homosexual tendencies and they b8licved that the .only
reason he \·!anted to start a com.:.uando group \vas to lure young
into his apartment.
He says that DAVIS \·las one of the e \·lho set up
the cc.mp across the lal:.e ;;mc1 that he remembers that at one
tino there vJCrc b ·lO Cubans from Hiami loo1dng f or DAVIS to kill
It sce:ns that RICARDO DAVIS had taken thr money \..;'hich
. \'las supposed to be spent. for food and very_ cheap
food such as red be"ns and rice and kept the d ffere:nce
He said . that these people ·fro:n ·Hiarui vl3rc seri pus ns they had
a on them. He says the1t he knm·:s that. ARC)"CHA a.nd FERRIE
\·/ere closely connected as they \,•ere together on many occnsions ..
He said that l•!J."'J.•TUEL GIL be conta•:::tcd c:.s he •.·;a9 ':-::.ry
active in the ''Crusade · to Free Cuba." H.::l ·also said that he
can that at one ci . fhc meetings there 'v-l s an argur:1cnt
Ci>.IRE some of the Cubans ·ov2r the 'lt:ay th;;t
the finances • being It seems thht \'las a
co>:tplaint that the money \·Jas to pay I J._RCACHA
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debts. He said that !1c hc:d heard fr some c,_11)cms
thc-.t OSi·lALD v1ent in the Trc:.de o the tir:1e that
he in the street. !!e sa , hmvevcr, that
be had no idea of where he could gone.
1-:e that thing that fP:!!ny to
one \'las soliciting funds for his "
Cu'!:>a" outfit and that his address for th13, outf
and that   Sr·1I'l'H address also

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He Scd.d that the FBr' s:lo\·i<:!d 'ji'i:.t .a photc:rra?!l o dis-
tributing leaf lets and that they trying idc:! ntify a
Cubc.n fe:llm: in tnc picture \·.rho his   •
told him thz:.t the in t the descrip-
tion of a pcrso!1 \·.'c.s \·li t'!'l. on a shooting ran;.::
in •r-::xas. HR. could not ic:!c ti:=:y the Cub"-n.
He said that BRIHGUIER. an:l D.!\.VlS   FEF.RIE
thc:.t FERRIE was a said
CASTRO und \/as in process of wrlt:i.ng a b
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Sgt. H. Austin & Pet. R. Frey
SUBJECT: Relative to Oswald Case - Interview with one
Sam Newman, this date.
The undersigned officers respectfully report t
P.M., Wednesday, November 27, 1963, they ar
at 4114 St. Charles Avenue, an apartment house managed
NewmaP· a viM, residing 1337 N:ithra street. Mr.
lFewman is aJ.so %be owner of the offices at Carep S
and · the purpose of this· intervievl was to learn of the
of one· of the offices at 544 Camp Street by the organ
known as the Fair Play for Cuba Comittee.
Upon being questioned a')out theabove, Mr. N
that fifteen months ago he leased an office at 54
. Street to an organization known to him as the Cuban Rev
Society. Mr. Newman stated that this group _was run by
Monteleone of the Honteleone Hotel. Newman also stated
Banister was well acquainted with this organization.
. ·When asked if he knew either Lee Oswald or a man
Hid ell, Hr. Ne·wman s :: a ted that l:ie did not anyone
associated with this group. did state howe
this organization was in this office for only about 4 or
and since they fell behind in their rent, he put them
also that after this, who had the key c
this office and when he, Newman, asked them what th
doing there, this man stated that he was taking over the
Mr. stated that he took the key .from this man and
out • . Nr. Newman described this man as a \·1!1ite male, bl
and red complexion. \\'hen asked
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N:r. Newman stcmd that
nothing of the organization, Falr Play for Cuba.
Mr. Newman showed the officers a page in a
which he took from his pocket. On this page were the f
two names: Louis Rabel, who Nr. Newman stated h ·· aded t
Revebutionaly- Society.(a telephone number anpeared qy th
and was recored by the officers as vffi7-5544). The other
on thi·s page w::t s: 1-·fr. Grimmader, who Hr. Newman stated
, auditing firm in the Audubon Building.(telephone number
name was 524-2338) Newman received a check for the
office from Mr. Griwmader •
. Newman stated that he had given all this inf
the F.B.I and the Secret Service.
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JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM
IDENTIFICATION FORM
Date:OS/13/93
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AGENCY INFORMATION
AGENCY HSCA
RECORD NUMBER 180-10101-10379
RECORDS SERIES
NUMBERED FILES
AGENCY FILE NUMBER 014020
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DOCUMENT INFORMATION
ORIGINATOR HSCA
FROM NEWMAN, SAM
TO HSCA
TITLE
DATE
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SUBJECTS
ll/06/78
54
NEWMAN, SAM, TESTIMONY BEFORE THE COMMITTEE
BANNISTER, GUY
DOCUMENT TYPE
CLASSIFICATION
RESTRICTIONS
CURRENT STATUS
DATE OF LAST REVIEW
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like that and I just told them to go ahead .d forg et abou t
2 the rent. They didn't owe that much . Guy nnister, I told
3 him the last time· he owed me about $1100 or 1200. So when he
4 died, I held his office furniture and so h. In fact, I
5 ended up selling most of that to the c rimina sheriff at that
6 time. They wanted some office furniture.
7 Mr. Cornwell. When you were interviewe by the FBI in
a 1963, you apparently either had notes or per aps a more pre-
9 cise memory of the timing, but at that time, you ·indicated
10 that the Cuban Revolutionary Society left or the Cuban group,
11 whatever their name was, left in about Febru ry of 1962. V
12 Mr. Newman. I couldn't tell you the ct date.
13 Mr. Cornwell. Would there have been reason for you
14 not to tell the truth o n that subject to FBI about as to
15 when they left? In other words , we have a
itten ---
16 Mr. Newman. They have it more acc urate than I could give
17 it to you now .
18 Mr. Cornwell. All right.
19 Mr. Newman. That was more recent .
~ Mr. Cornwell. You did tell them the tr th on tha t about
21 the date?
22 Mr. Newman. Right.
23 Mr. Cornwell. If they left in February of '62 ---
24 Mr. Newman. Didn't I tell the reason t ey left to the
25 FBI , do you know?
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Mr. Cornwell. You told them substar.ti ly what you tol d
2 us a ago; they may have been a month r two behir.d ir.
3 their rent and they left. The next question is; who took
4 over their space after they left?
5
Mr. Newman. Nobody.
6
Mr. Cornwell. How long did Guy Bannist r remain in the
7 space?
8 Mr. Newman. Until he died. I couldn't give you the date
9 he died.
10 Mr. Cornwell. All right.
11 Mr. Newman. I couldn't tell you.
12 Mr. Cornwell. Who else do you recall o cupying any of
13 the space on the second floor during the tim that you owned
14 the building?
15 Mr. Newman. That is about it.
16 Mr. Cornwell. No one else, even for a hort period of
17 time?
18 Mr. Newman. I had an arc hi teet up ther . He ended up -- I
19 cannot remember his name--he ended up in jai . He was just
on a front, acting as an architect. had his name
21 on the wall. He was caught with a lot
len stuff and
  That's all I remember. I cannot tell u his name. He
n was in Paris prison there f or a while.
24 Mr. Cornwell . Can you remember anyone
Mr. Newman. Well, I didn't have anybod in there, but I
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had a man that came over there wanting to r t a of
2 for something; I don't know what it as. I wasn't
3 interested. I didn't even encourage it. H didn't look just
4 right. A bunch of characters, that's all it was, in that
5 area.
6 Mr. Cornwell. What do you remember abo t this man?
7 Mr. Newman. Which one?
a Mr. Cornwell. The one you were just te ling me about
9 that wanted to rent some place and you didn'
encourage.
10 Mr. Newman. He said he taught. I thin
he said he
11 taught Spanish, teach foreign languages or s
ething to that
\
12 effect. I didn't know what he really wanted
13 have wanted it for some other reason. I did
for. He might J
let him have /
14 it.
15 Mr. Cornwell. Do you remember what the man looked like?
16 Mr. Newman. No.
17 Mr. Cornwell. Who else do you recall r nting any of the
18 space on the second floor to?
19 Mr . Newman. Nobody.
20
Mr. Cornwell. What abut on the third f
Did you
21 ever have a renter in there besides Mr. Dool g?
22
Mr. Newman. Well, we had a dis play ro
up there for
gifts and toys by some wholesale
omewhere. I
remember.
Mr. Cornwell. What was Mr. Dooling's fi st name?
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Mr. Newman. James Dooling, I believe.
2 !Orr. Cornwell. I will write
11
James
11
in the spac e where
3 you previously indi cated on Exhibit 1 Mr. D ling was located .
4 Who else ever occupied Mr. Arthus ' spa him?
5 Mr. Newman. Nobody.
6 Mr. Cornwell. I know that initially y were asked
7 questions about whether or not Lee Harvey ald had ever been
8 in your building or even temporarily had sp e there.
9 Mr. Newman. He did not have any space. He could have
10 been connected with the Cubans. d, I didn't know
11 anything about it.
12 Mr. Cornwell. Let me explain to you j t so there is no
13 misunderstanding. Whatever you stated on t t subject
14 previously wasn't under oath and this is, we are not
15 conducting a criminal investigation. We ar just tryir.g to
16 find out what the facts are.
17 You are not suspected by our committee f engaging in any
18 illegal activity. All we want to do is unsc amble the events
19 as best we can.
20 Mr. Newman. Yes, that is right.
21 Mr. Cornwell. So now that you are unde oath, would
tell us whatever you c an about Lee Harvey Os ald and his
Z3 association?
24 Mr. Newman. I wouldn't have known Lee arvey Oswa l d if
seen him at that time. I might have see him. I don't
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know.
I had a lot of- people in and out and
2 there that much.
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3 Mr. Cornwell. A number of people who w re directly or
4 indirectly with the building or 1 s occupar.ts have
5 indicated that he was there at least for a s ort period of
6 time.
7 Mr. Newman.
Who do you mean, people th t occupied--some
8 people that rented the place , you mean?
9 Mr. Cornwell. Yes.
10 Mr. Newman : That he was where?
11 Mr. Cornwell. That he was in the build ng and had space
12 for a short period of time.
13 Mr. Newman. From me? He didn't
14 Mr. Cornwell. When you saw his
15 the assassin of the President, is it
16 memory of ever seeing him before?
rent n
picture
your te
space from me)
n television as
imony you
17 Mr . Newman. If I had, I didn't realize t. I never seen
18 him, as far as I was conc erned.
19 Mr. Cornwell. You had no memory of ever seeing him
20 before.
21 Mr. Newman. No, Sir.
22 Mr. Cornwell. Did you ever have any tro
23 walls being painted up by the occupants, slog
24 Mr .
25 Mr.
Newman. No.
Cornwell. Pictures of them, things
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Mr. Newman. I don't remember a think a ut it. What
2 walls -..ere they?
3 Mr. Cornwell . On the floor.
4
Mr. Newman. What kind of pictures?
5 Mr. Cornwell. Pro-Castro slogans.
6 Mr. Newman. No. There was no such thi
7 Mr. Cornwell . You never had that troub
8 Mr. Newman. No, Sir.
9 Mr. Cornwell. You never went up into an of that space
10 and found that condition.
11 Mr . Newman . I wen t in and in s p e ted the o f f i e o n c e or
12 twice, and I couldn't see anything wrong.
13 Mr. Cornwell. Did you inspect all of space up there?
14 Mr. Newman. I always did. Anything I r nt I inspected
15 once in a while.
16 Mr. Cornwell. Do you recall the event
en Oswald was
17 arrested in New Orleans in the summer of 1963
18 Mr. Newman . I rem ember that.
19 Mr. Cornwell. You rem ember he was passi g out
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20 Mr . Newman. Pamphlets with the 544 Camp Street on i t ;
21 that was news to me. So he had to be c onnect d with the
22 Cubans. He didn't have no space, no rented s from me.
23 Mr. Cornwell. What did you do to invest gate that, just
24 for your own curiosity, when you found out he e he was down
passing out pro-Castro li terature?
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Mr. Newman. I- did n' t do anything. I it happened, h   ~
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2 had to be with the Cubans; that's the only place he could h ~
3 been.
4 Mr . Cornwel l. What kind of Cubans wee those?
5 Mr. Newman . Some Cubans and some Arne icans, American
6 people was connected with it .
7 Mr. Cornwell. Guy Bannister was a co servative; is that
8 correct?
9 Mr. Newman . I think so.
10 Mr. Cornwell. And he is the one that asked you to allow
11 this Cuban group to have space .
12 Mr. Newman. He said they was good fr ends of his.
13 Mr. Cornwell . They were a'l so conserv tive, correct?
14 Mr. Newman. Yes.
15 Mr . Cornwell. And conservative in th sense that, in
16 particular, they were anti-Castro; weren't they?
17 Mr. Newman. That is right.
18 Mr. Cornwell. The literature, howeve , was pro- Castro;
19wasn'tit?
~ Mr . Newman. I don't remember.
21 Mr. Cornwell. It was liberal; it was left-wing litera-
22 ture; right?
23· Mr. Newman. Left-wing.
24 Mr. Cornwell. Why would you have ass ed then that the
~ left- wing literature and Oswald was associ ted with this Cuban
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group in your building w h i ~ h was clearly an i-Castro?
2 Mr . Newman. I c ouldn't say he was wit the Cubans.
3 not sure. If he wasn't with the Cubans, he was with
4 Bannist er. Bannister had a lot of characte s in and out
5 there.
6 Mr. Cornwell . That would not have mad sense either,
7 would it?
8 Mr. Newman . Why?
9 Mr. Cornwell. Because Bannister was n t left - wing; he
10 was conservative; right?
11 Mr. Newman . You are right. But you c uldn't tell much
/
12 about Bannister.
13 Mr. Cornwell . Well, tell us what conv rsations you had
14 with Bannister after that event relating to it, though.
15 Mr. Newman . After what?
16 Mr. Cornwell. After it was discovered Oswald was on
17 Canal Street passing out pro-Castro literat
18 Mr. Newman. I never d·iscus sed it with He was a
19
peculiar per son. He didn't want you to dis
~ h i m   That's the kind of guy he was.
21 Mr. Cornwell. Other persons who were the building and
~ associated with Bannister have told us that nnister was very
n upset when he found out about the pro-Castr literature with
24 the Camp Street address stamped on it .
25 Mr . Newman. Could have been. I didn' know about it .
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Cornwell. Well, those same person have tol d us
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2 Mr. Newman. Jack Mar tin can tell you out that.
3 Mr. Cornwell. Jack Martin? What does e know about
4 Mr. Newman. He was in Bannister's off e 90
percel!t
5 the time; every day almost.
6 Mr. Cornwell. Did he have conversatio with Bannister
7 about that?
8 Mr. Newman. I don•t know what he had c nversatio!!s
9 about, but he in his office quite a bit. I never know
10 what they were talking about. It wasn't non of my business.
11 I didn't interfere.
12 Mr. We have been told that . Bannister was
13 upset and asked you to take some action to c the situa-
14 tion.
15 Mr. Newman. Correct what?
16 Mr. Cornwell. The situation of Oswald eing associated
17 with the building.
18 Mr. Newman . No such thing. He never d scussed it with
19 me at all.
Mr. Cornwell. He never asked you to ev ct him?
21 Mr. Newman. No.
Mr. Cornwell. Did you have any convers tion with
n Bannister along those lines?
Mr. Newman. No, Sir.
Mr. Cornwell. Bannister never told you he was upset with
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the lite.rature?
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2 Mr. Newman. He didn't tell me that. didn't
3 anything about it.
4 Mr. Cornwell. Who did you discuss the vent with?
5 . Mr. Newman . Nobody.
6 Mr. Cornwell. When was the first time t came to your
7 attention?
a Mr . Newman. What I read in the paper.
9 Mr. Cornwell. A day or two after Oswal was arrested?
10 Mr. Newman. Right after the incident t ere; yes .
11 Mr . Cornwell. Was it in the paper that 544 Camp was
12 stamped on the literature?
13 Mr. Newman. That was in there.
14 Mr. Cornwell. Here is the trouble I am having. The
15 occupants of the building, as you have all t ld us, said that
16 you were a very conscientious landlord, that you were there
17 checking on things, making sure it was going right, making the
18 necessary repairs, kept a neat, tidy buildin , all that sort
19 of thing.
~ And with that sort of an obvious intere t in the build-
21 ing, as a manager would have, to see that in the paper about
~ the literature bearing your address, it is p obably difficult
23 to believe.
24 Mr. Newman . I knew it wasn't true . No ody came around
~ t o discuss it with me at all. So I didn't p y any attention
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2 Mr. Cornwell. What did you do?
3 Mr. Newman. I didn't do anything.
4 Mr. Cornwell. You did r.ot try to c hec k it out?
5 . Mr. Newman . That wasn't my place. It as the police
6 department's if they wanted to c heck anythin They had so
7 many characters over here in and out, it did ' t matter t o me,
8 to tell you the truth. I didn't know one fr m the other. I
9 thought maybe he was connected with the Cuba s. ·I
· 10 nothing about it.
11 Mr. Cornwell. Would you have rented sp ce to a pro-Cuban
12 organization in those years?
13 Mr. Newman. What you mean, pro?
14 Mr. Cornwell . Pro- Castro organization.
15 Mr. Newman. Those r ooms are so hard to rent, I wo uld
16 have rented to anybody almost .
17 Mr. Cornwell . So it c aused you no cone rn that a man had
18 been arrested, supporting Castro, distributi g pro-Castro
19 literature and had an address with your buil i ng on i t .
20 Mr. Newman. I didn't check any records of any kind on
21 anybody.
22
Mr. Cornwell. It caused you no conc ern
23
Mr. Newman . No.
24 Mr. Cornwell. Abso lut ely none.
25
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Mr. Cornwell . You didn't even go ar oun a nd talk to the
2 occupants of the building about it?
3 Mr. Newman. Talk about what? I didn't have anyt hing to
4 talk about; what you mean?
5 Because he put a pamphlet out, 544 Camp and I knew it
6 wasn r·t
true, and that's all there was to i t .
7 Mr. Cornwell. How did you know it wasn
8 Mr. Newman. As far as I know, it wasn' true be0ause
I
9 didn't rent him any space. So it had t o be
If I had
10 rented him space, he had a right to put 544
11
Mr. Cornwell. Is it possible he was us
spac e,
12 which was vacant at the time, without your k
13 Mr. Newman. No, we kept the doors locke when it got
14 v ac ant.
15 Mr. Cornwell. But I thought you told in estigators
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16 previously that when the Cuban Revolutionary
uncil left,
17 they took the keys with them.
18 Mr. Newman. They could have; I don't r
19 Mr. Cornwell. Do you remember
yone t hat you
discovered someone getting into the space
r they left wit h
an old key that had never been returned?
Mr. Newman. I said that I found somebod in there that
  belong there, you mean?
Mr. Cornwell. Yes.
Mr. Newman. Could have; I don't remembe that far bac k.
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r \vns In New Orleans to take me O\'er to the radio station, what Is the nnme
o! It ngnln?
!IIr. STUCK!i:Y, IVDSU.
Mr. ;JF.NNER. WDSU, nnd there wns plnye!l In my presence und In my
n t!tpe transcript of your 37-mlnute intcn•iew with Oswald on the 17th of
August :1963. Js the tnpe which I hnve In my hnnd, mnrked Stuckey Exh!Uit
No.4, the tape that plnyed that evening In my presence?
hlr. STUCKEY, .It is.
i.Ir. And it is In the sume condition now us it wus at the .time I
heard It?
Mr. STUCKEY. !Uxnctly.
Mr. ,l}:NNER. It Is In the snme contlltlon now ns H. wus when it was prcpnred by
Cosimo's?
Mr. STUCKEY. Correct.
Mr .. H;NNER. Subject to my understanding with you that you will receive u
communlcntlou from Mr. Hnukin the preservation of this htile ngnlnsl
commerclnl use, 1 on·er Stuckey Exlllhit No. 4 in evidence. I nm going to return
the tul)e to you so that there \Ylll be no question in yom· mind but whut, In the
menntime, until you ll.o recel\·e :\lr. Hankin's letter, lllnt the tnpe has been in your
possession, nnU no one has made, Rnrreptitlously or otherwise by ncciUcnt or any
fnsbion, n copy of it.
hlr. STUCKE-Y. Very good.
JENNER. I think I will stnte for the recortl, Mr. ·nctlOrter, thnt In nn ofr·
the-record discussion with Mr. Stuckey respecting the mullo tape of the Interview
o! August 17, 1963," Stuckey No.4, Mr. Stuckey bus tlgTeed that he will
supply or return, let us suy, Exhibit No. 4 to us upon his receipt of a com·
mnnlcatlon from hlr. Rankin, as counsel for the Commission, thnL the tnpe when
retlelh·ered to us and becomes part of the rect.nl of the Commission, will not be
subjected to use for any commercial purpose and reproduction.
i\lr. STUCKEY. I would like to nsk for one qualification.
i\Ir. JENNER. All rig-ht.
Mr. I would like my attorney to rend over the letter !Jeforc--
Mr. JENNE!!. Of course.
Mr. STucKr.Y. Before sending you the tape, ntHl in cnse we suggest possibly
some changes--
Mr. I think that Is wise. Since I am the tupe to you, why,
I nm sure you won't send it back unlcstl. your counsel is sutlsfled that you nre
rensonnbly protected, because we apprcclnte the fnct tlwt lhls is JH.m;unal prop·
erty nnd that ll hns some commercial vnlue to you and, frankly, we would be n
little hit snqu·lsed if yon were not concerned ahout preserving that".
I think that. is all. ls there nnything that you would !We to add, that you
think might he helpful to the Commission ill Its investigation of the nssusslnntlon
of President .Tohn Fltzgemld Keuuedy'l
"Mr. STUCKI-:Y. I think we hnve covered ju:;t nhout
Mr. All rlg:hl.
Mr. STUCKEY. Certnln\y ull the ilnrd fncts.
Mr .. TENNER. What is that?
.i\Ir. STUCKEY. I sny certainly nil the hnrd fncts. The rest Is just n lot of'
speculntion und such.
Mr. ,h:NNEn. One other thing. Gl\'t! physicul description, Uescrihe
Brlngnler physlcnlly to me, nleasc.
Mr. STUCKEY. nescrlhc Oswnld?
;I ENNEa. No;
Mr. STUCKEY. lie is uhout 5 feet 10 Inches. Ho Is nol purticulnrly dark·
sklnnetl, nlthong:h his hair Is hlack, Ills ej·es nrc brown. He has tllC: beginnings
of n J1!llmeh, nlthough his huih1 is generally ruther slender; he wears g:lasses,
smokes cig:nrs. I cnn't think of a thing: else.
JENNER. OK. I guess thnt Is nhont it.
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AFFIDA VI'!' OF HORACE TWIFORD
The following aftldav:it wus executed by Horace Elroy Twiford on July 11,
l{){H.
I'HlllSIDENT'S COtll.l\llSSION
ON THE .ASSASSINATION O.E'
PHESIDENT JOHN KENNEDY
STATE OF TEXAS,
Oountv of HarTis, ss:

I, Horace Imroy Twiford, 70.18 Schley Street, Houston, Texas, being duly sworn
say:
1. I hnve been a resilient or Houston siJlce Mny, lOGO, nud I nm n merchant
seamnn. I nm ll. ruemher of the Soclultsl Labor Pnrty,
2. The firSt time I ever hennl of Lee I l!trVey Oswald W!lS In July 1003, when
Tho Headquarters of the Soelullst Lnhor Party In New York wrote me lhnt
Oswald hnd ref]Ueste<l lltcrntnre. The New York Rentlnunrters usunlly fur-
nishes me with the nnmes of nny persons In the Texas nreu who mnkc Inquiries
about the Soclztllst J .. nhor Party. I then routinely ruallctl Oswu\d literature
concerning tht! Socialist Labor Pnrly to n hox number in Dallas appenring on
Twiford Exhibit No. 1. I hnd my return nrldrpss on the en\•elope containing-
the mnterlni l seut to Oswnhl.
S. Twiford lDxhiblt. No. t IH the t'll\'elnpn wllit·h O:nYuhl Ht•nt. !o tlw Hot'!ul!H!
Labor Party lu New York, nnd whll'h thl'.\' In tnl'll Hc•nt to mP.
4. hfiJHlwrlt.tt>ll nolt• uero:l.'-1 tho   or !hlH i\11\'tl!il[l<', • [hjl
wordl:l
11
Lnhor Dny lH!-tllC WI', tl/.1 t;O:\'' iH In Ill,\' harulwr·l!ln!-{ HUt! lndkutt•H
that I mailed to Oswnhl on September 11, 1003, the Labor Day Issue of the
"Weeldy People." I do not recall If this wns the first time I Hent him mnterlnl.
G. 1 recollect hnving flO\Yn home to visit my wlfc on September 27, l!JGa, from
New Orlenns, J. .. ouisiana, where the S.S. Del Monte, the ship upon which I was
working, \Yfl.s docked. Either at this time or on October 1, when the S.S. Del
:Monte renched Houston, m;r wife told me thnt n H. Oswnltl bud culletl and
usked for me during the week. My wife hltd written Ills nnme and the
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Falr Piny for Culm Commlttei:!" on a piece of' pnper In order lo mcutlon the
telepbone call.
0. I recollect lhat my wife told me thnt this telephone call hnd taken place
during the week my visit home. 1 had i.Jecn home on the previous
Wei:!keud, and neither nt thnt. time nor prior thereto hutl my wlt'e said anything
about fl telephone cnll from Oswald.
7. I hll\'e never seen nor henrd from Lee Hnrvey Oswald.
Signed this 11th dny of July 1964.
(S) Huruce Elroy Twiford,
HORACE EI.ROY TW1FOIUJ,
AFFIDAVIT OF MilS. ESTELLE TWII'OllD
following ufiltlnvlt wns executed \Jy Mrtl. lCstelle 'Twiford on .Tuly 2, :HHM.
COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF AFFIDAVIT
PHlliSIDEN'l' JOHN F. KENNEDY
STATE OF TExAs,
Omwtu of Jlarria, ss:
I, Estelle Twiford, 7018 Schley Street, Houston, Texus, lleing: duly sworn
.\lfly:
1. lam the wire of Horace Elroy Twiford.
2. In lute September of lOG:l, Lee IInrvcy Oswald telephoned my house nntl
asked to spenk "to my husband. I told him that wv husband wns at scu. Oswultl
inquired IU! to how my husbnnd hnd his He nlso said thut he hnd
hoped to discuss Ideas with my husllund for 11 few hours before he tlew down
to Mexico. lie said be only bud u few hours. I nssume. he wns calling from
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the Houston urea since he did not, to my knowledge, place a long distance call.
Howe\•er, be dill nbtspcclflcally sny that. he was In Houston. I haYe no Informa-
tion concerning: his whereabouts when this call wHs placed. I told him If he
deslrell·to corresponli with my husband, he could direct n letter to 7018 SchleY
Street, Houston, Texas, und I would see thut my husband received it.
3. I cannot. recull the dute of the call, but. I 'think It occurred during: tlle week
prior to the weekend my husbund flew home to visit me from New Orlcnus where
his ship was Uocked. I reca11, my hushtuul had shiJlJ'led out the weekend prior
to the cull.
4. I cannot recnll the exact time he cnllcd, but I ·think 'thu't It '\YHS In We
evening, sometime ·bef:v.."'een 7:00 nnd 10:00 o'clock. 1 wns not working dur!!lg
this period.
5. 1 wrote Uown on u slip of ]lnper tbnt OswalO hnd culled nnd thnt he men-
tioned he was n member of. the Fulr Play !or Culm Committee. I did this In
order to remember to tell mY about the cull. I told my husbnnd nbout
the cull on the weekend he visited me. I huve luitlnled null rcleused note made
of telephone call. (To Secret Sen•ice.)
o. Oswnld did not s'ta'te what he was going to Mexico for, nor did he state
how long he would be there.
1. Other than the aboYe tnentionc<l telephone cull, I have never had any con-
tact with Lee Huryey OswuJd.
s. I nm not a member of tile Sociullst Labor Pnrty.
Signed this 2d day of July 1004.
(S) Mrs. Estelle Twifortl,
hlrs. EBTF.LLE TWH'ORO.
TESTIMONY OF VIRGINIA H. JAMES
'L'he te.st.lmony of Vlrginln H. James wns tnken ut 2:Hi p.m., on .Tune 17, Hhl4,
nt 200 J\fnrylund Avenue NJ<J., Washington, D.O., hy 1Ies:m:;. Willlum T. Oolcmnn,
Jr .. und W. David Sluwson, usslstant counsel of the Commlss!cm.
Thomas. EJhrlicb, Spcdal Asslstfint to t.lle Leg:al Adviser, Depnrtment of Stnte,
was .vrescnt.
Mr. Cor.:m.r ..\N. Miss James, would you state your name for the record?
.\!Iss Vlrginln H. ·
Mr. CoLEMAN. Do you mind rnlsing your right huncl?
Do von solemnly swefir tlle testimony yon are about to give is the truth, the
whole.trnth, nnti nothing- hut the truth, so help you Cod?
J A:'ln:s. l do.
]llr. CoLEMAN. Mlf'ts Jnmes, as you kno\V, you ure the lnternationnl Relations
Ofllcer, Office or Soviet. Affairs, in the DCIHlrtment of Stnte. You will be usked
to testify nhont your nct\ons with respect to Oswnld concerning his nt.tenlpt
to rctul'n to the United States commellclng in 1!XIl, nnd his uttempt. to sec.nre
u yisu for his wife, :Mnrlun.
You will aiM be questioned concerning- your actions in connectiou with ohtnln-
ing-
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waiver or Section 243{g) of the Immig:rntlon nutl Nutionnilty Act for
::\lnrlnn, und what !Ulr!, If nny, you hntl In getting the Burcnu of lmmlgmt\011
and Nnturallzatlon to rc,·erse Its init-inl decision lo refnst! such wnlver. And
I will nlso nsk you a few questions on whether you have nny knowledge con-
cerning actions tnken lly the Department. In 1\);j!) when Oswnld first. nttemptcd
to renounce his American citizenship. ·wonld you stnte for the record your
present
J\1\ss ;r AMF.s. 2@1 Q Stn .. NW.
)lr. COI.E!>IA:-.'. Are you pre»ently employed by the ·wedentl GoYernment'!
:.\IisB J.A:'-IES. I am employed lly the DeJ)nr!meut of State in the OffiL"t! of Soviet
Uulou Afl'tlirs.
1\Ir. Cor.t.!>IAN. \\'hut iB your otllclnllltle?
:.\liss J.UIES. Internntionnl Rein lions Officer.
:.\lr. Cou::.uN. Did yon occum· that position from :l!)r;D through to
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Miss J AMF.s. 1 did; nnd do still.
-Mr.   I hll\'e shown you, nml I tnkc ilyou urc gcuerull:;• ftunlllur with,
the resolution of C<!ngress which wns adopted by Congress In connection with
this Commission.
Miss JAMES. Yes.
Mr. To the best of your present kiiO\Yledgc, Miss Jnmes, could you
tell me the first time you beurd the unme Oswald 1
Miss When I reud n eopy of the telegrnm from the Amerlcnn Embussy
ut Moscow, dnted, ns 1 nx:nll, Oct{)ller 30,1050, snying- tlwt Oswnld bud cnllcd
ut the Erubnssy and had attempted to renounce his American citizenship.
,\lr. CoLEMAN. Would you ucccPt my suggestion If I told you lhnl that tele-
grnm was dltted Octoher 31 rnthcr thnn the 30th?
J\llss JA-MES. Yes.
Mr. Cou:MAN. Why did you rL"i...-ei\·e, obtnln or see tt copy of the telegrnm?
JA.\IES. To heg:in with, It Is my fuuet.lou In the Department of Stnte In
the Office of Soviet Union Afl'nlrS, to hundle nmtters relnling- to vlsus, issmlnee
of Ylsus and passport mutters from the pol!trculungle only.
1Ir. CoLE'l.!.AN. For whnt areu?
.Mls:; JAMES. For the Office of So\·iet Union A!Tnirs, nnd It Is pz1rt of our
respous!blllty to know whnt goes on in the Amerlcnn Embassy In .\loseow, UlHl
to see how It Is handled In order that \Ye can cont.lnue our function of ndYls!ng,
belplug and nsslsting so It is routine for our office to get H copy of 1111 these
telegrams. Pructlcally every t1111t goes hnek antl forth between the
Emllttssy in Moscow nnd the DcJ!Hrtment, both wnys, eome;:; through onr office.
Mr. COLEMAN. What dld yon do after yon received the telegrnm, or saw
a copy of the teleg-rnm?
:Miss ,TAMES. I think we took no nctton nt. tl1at time. \Ye rend It wltllu great
deal of Interest, us we do all of this type of case of n potential defector, a1Hl
n person who Is nn American citizen who !1-; American cittzeushlp Is
\'ery llllllSUtl!. I 1lon't reez\11 unj' uct \on ext·ept thnt I kno\Y It wus u 50Urce, I
1
menn the sull]eet. o( unhappy cml\'!!z'sutiou !u the ofllee, In see this mnu !'Hrrying
on this type of ncllon.
Mr. Co!.E:\[AN. Yon knew, didn't ,\'On, tlmt within 2 Ot' 3 !lnys after the tele-
gram wns recel\'cd, thut t.he State Departml!llt sent n reply to the Emhnssy?
Miss JAMES, T must lmve Heen it. I nnt.ice frolll the file copy 1 elenrecl it, but
T don't remember that exucl telegrnm.
Mr. COLEMAN. I show you Commission Exhibit No. !110, which Is u copy of the
telegram.
Miss .TAMES, I rccull th.!s.
Mr. CoLEMAN. You tlo recall It?
:.11ss JA:'>IES. I do.
l\Ir. Cou;:-.[AN. Do you recnll clearing- the text of It?
i\liss .TAMF.s. I cnn't recnll elearlng the text of It, but I am perfectly snre !hut
ll wns n uutnral thing for me lo cleur the text.
They nonmtlly would elear lt. with your office?
Miss JA!>IES. YeR.
CoUlMAN. Aud so, therefore, when it Is recorded Ill the lower left-hnnd
corner thttL it hntl !Jeeu clcured with you, you hnve no doubt of the ucc.urncy o(
tlmt statement.?
;\[Iss J.AMt:s. I bttvc no renson to doubt.
::-.Ir. CoLBMAN. The nccurncy of tbatstntement?
l\llss JAMES. Been use we, the Office of Soviet Union Affairs, t.ry to geL nil
offices In the Dermrlment to clenr e\'Crythlng thnt Is golttg to Mo:;cow.
l\lr. CoLE:.!,\N, After clenrlng- the tele).:'ram, whut wns the next time thnt
you hnd anything to do with t.lli! nnme 0Bwuld, to the best. of your knowledge?
:Miss .TA1n;s, As 1 rttull, WI! iwd n copy of the report that enmc In from the
Emlmssy telling more In detnll uhout his appenrnnce ut the mmbnssy, und I nlso
rend It In the PUIH!rs.
l\11', COLEIIIAN. Could we murk ns .Tnmes Exhilllt No. l, and I show you-n
reference shed from Bernice Wutermnn tn m<J:SOV, \'irg!nln .JnHit•s, miCler clute
of No,·ember 2ri, lQ{',!), nnd I nsk you !lO you remember seeing thnt reference
sheet?
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COMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 2334-Continued
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTlC£
BURI:.AU OF JNVESTICATION
SA '!:'""Til DJ\UIMPLE
DllJe::l!:er If, 1963
aou,ton file 105-1291
LEE; HARVin' OSWALD
L'lTER!l.U. SEC\J:i.In' - R

HOUSTON
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Su!:jeet's a1dreo: book to cor.tatn r.a:a of
!l': .. 'VoCE T'>o'IFORD witt: and telephone
n=!:er, Subject reportedly lnfo:med hh \<lil'e on
9/23/63 he might pracce(i HOU!Iton, Te)(aS
)le.- Orleana. HORACE tdcmt1f1eo:! as
Dea=.an who lett Houston on 10/10/63 for South
and will return 12/11:/63.
ESTELLE Tl([l'ORD and attC:riley avt"CHI!IS
tntervle"ed on They ste.te<:l Hi.- ant! Mr.,,
    dlstrtbiitcd literature .So.c.11l.11llt
Ll'bor Pa_Lt:r_lSl;J'}, :-Ira. 'l'lo'IFOR!).uhit.ittd envalo):e
appa:-ent-W used by OS>U.LD tn   utth
SLP at YoriC, HORACE T',(.tFORD reportedly :r.atled
uterrr=e at 1n Sept.!l!lbt:r, 1!163 a!'ter
this anvelcpe W:J.O aent to hi%11 by SLP, Hrs.
l"!po:-ted ohe recetv'i:d call rroon
W!.fl trtentlfytns h1rnaelr as os;..'ALD on date she
to be tn late October, 1953.
tr.ranned het• he wa11 tlytng to :-leJ<tco ar.d d<=dred
to speak to ?.ORACE '1"-.':i:FORD, M.rs. TWIPCRD hns
m•'ler uen OSWALD and 1'ecl11 <::Crtaln HORACE
m>t acquainted Wlth CSWAr.D, ll, KL03PEL.E.1,
;;hose n=e 111110 in poneDslon o1' OS'.'ALD, not
hle::.t1f1cd !n area at' llouator., Tt:xas,
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ExHIBIT No. 2335
CoMMJSSION EXHIBIT No. 2334-Continued
HO 105-1291
PPlmiCATION
Or; Dt!cember 2, 1963   Office of th., PZI
reported tht! following llata ha<! been recorded in the ad<!re1111
book at' L£E I!AR'IE'f OS'<IALD:
HORACE :"tllFOilD
7018 Schley
tl.!
ll. '.'ARNER ICWEPELER
U!J 6-3089
Ull 6-27lll, L'<tenuion 276.
The Dallas Oft1ce further advised that 1nfarnmti.on
had been received that 051-/ALD'u wife ami Mr3, RU'Til PA!llE t.ad
la3t seen OS\IAUl Neu Orl;!ana, Louiatana or. 9/23/63 at
which he indicated he had a f;-iend 1n llou:ton, Tc::•u•
and :night proceed either to llouator. or to Phnadalphta,
;.·hen neJ<t cor.tac';ed h!ll "ire ami !1:r!:,
PATI/E at Ir-:tng, 'r<:xas on October 11, 19ci3 he r<!:porte<!1y
claimed he had been ln Hou9ton, TeYi'l9 looking for a Job,
IU"SUL'!'S OP IN'-l£STIOATICN
RE: RORAC& ELROY '1."ttl.??nD
On Decelnber 2, 19S3 Mr:s. OAI$:.' BRO'.ill, Credl::
:!rureau o!' G-:&ater Hou&ton advl&ed her a;;enoy had
a reco::-d n1ncie 1956 pe:-ta1n1ns: to EL'l.O\' T.ll;'CP.:O,
record was lasl; revt:scd in .Saptez!:ler, 1952 at
ttmo: T,..,.J'ORD \<las reported to be 39 years at' ar;e an:! •
at: 7018 Schley, Hou::ton, Texas with hill \<life :S:.:T.E!.!.E .T'.ili'Cl'.!},
Ills emploY"'ent "Bil l1uted as second 'llith Loc/1.1 '20
at the Inte:-netio:'lal Organlntlon or Haaters, Hatea and
Pilot&. 'I'WIPORD was reported to have been so emplo,\'ed for
10 or 12 years 11.t a aalary or approxltr.ately i9,000 per yecr.
lle had ]Jre\'!.OU:.ly at 7823 01xie DM.ve,
Texa::, at 3ev.,ral other Houston addresseD, a..1d prior to
1956 at Manteo, North Caro11na. Mrs. BROWN '1'\.'L';'OP.D
had a good oredtt record at HoU5tOn.
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HO 105-1291
n:;, !'1le aho contatncd a report dated
.June '27, 197> !rOITl Ell:::t,bdtti City, l!orth Carolin'-  
'l'I'/IFORD had rec .. ntly ::>.'Ntd to 11315 AlabaM Strcet,
Apc.rt:nent 5, Houaton, 'rcxoa but had rc:3!ded tor
M'\'eral at Uanteo, North Carolina, 'l".."!?ORD
reported to heve been oingle 1n 1956, had been a oeo.-nan nln;"
World :lar 1I and he was well regarded at Manteo, Uortn
Cnrol1:u<.
On Vece:nber 2, 1953 Detective D. D. COLT..Il'S,
Intelligence Un1 t, Houston, Texas rolice Depart.r.ent ad.,hed
he had checke<:l the arreat reco:rcls of that on tt::.'lt
<:lote and had round no reco:rcl ind1catlns that HCR\CE 'l"..rLF(!RD
luld ever been in HDUstor., Texas, COLLINS
HO!UC?.:   hac! bec?ma known to the Texas
:s    
01\'11 Liberties Unton {ACW) at which wa.'l referre<:l to
aa the "Due Proceaa Comcittee," COLLINS stated thnt th!s
cc.:nlttee wne reportedly famed to lo?k or
pol1.cc brutality at Houston and another or this
C(XT"f'l1ttee wu attorney KDIYO!l HOOCHIJIS, state<:! thb
coonlttee actually never fW'lotioned beyond a few
letters in the lbucton area. COLLINS atatc1 .1e·teJ.•al p<!oplc
.,;tth he tal;(ed considered T'•'IFORD to be rather
na he fr.,Q.Uently wore a goatee and ir.>pra:>ned P'O'Qple
u be tng or colleGe age,
On 2, 1963 1'\rs, ESTEL!Z T\.•'IFORD, 7018
Schley Street was 1nter-:iewe<:l by SllS JAJ'IES W, and
ELM:iN Hra, 'l"..IIFORD ntated her HORACE
T..IIFOP.!l,waa the .::1te on the "SS Del Monte" operate!!
by the Delta Ltnes, Inn, She atated thts vesoel left P.oucton
tn   October for ll trip to South Amer1cli anC
a:hcouled to return to Houston on l!i, 1963.
l".r.-.. 'i"..IIPORD firat stated th:!.t h.ad never hc..r-1
of LE.E !{AIWfi OS..,ALD e:rcept for newapaper re?orts :>he had
rear\ dnce the or Prea1dent K.E:-lJll'l)'l. She
  ahe ha'l nevP.r 11een OS'.iALD and felt sure her huabanc'
was not c.equdnted with. hi111. Mrs. 'l"•'If'OP.D acY.nowledr:ed tt:at
8he and her 1-.Uaban.:!   variou,, tn;es of' literature
tnclud1ng literature of the 3ocialbt Uibor PlLrty 1n wh!ch
CoMMISSION EXHIBIT No. 2335-Continued
HO 10,5-1291
!1ra, n.'IPORD atte:npted to recall more
tt:e date or telephone by 1t so:1e
othe:- event a•t<:l ftnall:; ::till 1t had
teen received tn l.ate· Oetoter or nrly 1963.
Sh: s:.:rc th.'lt 1t caee a few <:leys before HOMCE 'I" .. 'IFO!t!>
lt.'t Hou,to:t for bi:t trtp to South She
=tate:; her buabanC h:ld l.=ft Houatal or. the ··ss Del Uonte" : ·
h3d proceeded to L<m!.l!!ar.a, to • 3ml Cor"UI;'
Cr.r11!t1, ar:d back to Tcxa; wt-.er., lt  
s ver:• ahort time before leaving Hou:::on for South A:acrt'l ..
lir.'l, recalled :hilt the <:all. :'r:r.:l o:n:.IOt.D
t'az recetved whlle her hus\>and was on th!s c:mllt tl1se trl?
'l:tcau::e !he t.";)ld her husband or thl:> call r!urin::;
the • he had at hoo:e before le3vint for South
  She s:t!d the.t when .'!he told HOR.\C2 T.IIFORD that
OSJAW had. call<!G h·:r no'; eh01: ::.:1y  
at all and 1t appea.re<:l to th:>t the r,e:::e os;,•,u.n
Ctd not mear. an, thtn:; to him. Jlrs. T\.>'I?OIU> :hat
hac! in f:tllt recnllcd thi11 1nc1<:ler.t only a1nce pu':ll1c1t;o
  She it !Is
to cheek r"ccrdll of the Delta     to detelmLne the
date ?!' telephone cn.ll by relntlng to the
ce:ut 111sa tr1p (!lllde by 11tattd
  I!'.:J.tle 1:? nentton o!' looX1ng for a Jo!l tn Hou3ton :!.nd c:'.t;!
rc': 11e.:·· he was 1-'l Houaton and slla oaliu.1l5"CU lt:\Z
a lo-c:al tele;lhone :;o "t.!'lephQflC .. op-erator -·
involve:! nnd bec&U[..C or th: • or CS:.I,\LD to the errece
thllt he onlr h:>d a rew hO'Jra an.d   to with her
h:.:.:!band. She   ahe actually 11.:1d no Lnf'o=atton
OS'JALD'll exact Wherea.tH;:t!tll w:.en thts call oo.de.
J1rs. TWIFORD further otatcd   th:
a!:OI/e 1nc!dent she had nev11r had ar.y contact with
OS\olt,W, naa never seeh h1m, an<:! to the t:eBt :;.;: h.c:r
'l".:.tpO!'.D never hacl any
  any t!.rt•e, Hrs, n.'IF:lHD alae stated tl"l.'!t she
never known RUBY a:d that could furnish no
w:-;atever concerntnc the pa:-:on!l !mrolved tn the     •
or Pr,.,llid.ent IC!In!EDY, the l:.ter or   or  
mot1V<!B
r,;rpo;m obtained f;"'XI her reeordo a  
t::.anllln envelope printed ancl. be:wtng the   or the ll.!M
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CoMMISSION EXHIBIT No, 2335-Continued.
HO 105-1291
they were acttve. She ackno-..-ledged that her huatand hod
ot people to he hnd IUI.tlcd such literature :.out
  these racorcb or to !'l!rll!::h
l'.rs, 'l""'lPOilD then ac:tnowled<;ed that dit: ..
have other 1nt'ormat1on about OS11ALD but tl:clined to C:!.sc":··
the .nattcr unt11 ahe had tele.,honed attorne:• JC.'fi'Oif


HGUCRINS arrived at the rt!ddence within a !'P.W
minutea, stat-ed that he wu thorouo;hly   "1th th<::
l'l.!lttflr and instructed Mrs, 7.'I::'ORD to coop•n•ata oompletel.,.
Mrs. 'l.">.'IFORD then stated she and her
-were the few !!!embers of the 3ocl.al1at Labor rarty 1n
Tuna the or th111 oro:ani;;ation at !1:" Yorl;,
'lor;c !'requently   the or any penons
!n the 'J'exa11 area who o>ad11 inquir:; about the  
Shll recalled her husband hed :'<!Celvcd OS',.AW' s n&.cle tn tht:s
=nner and had D'.a11ed h!e literature of the Sociolht Labor
ra:-ty to a po .. t of!'ice addre&s !r. D:!.llaa, T<:xaa,
Mra. 'I'Ifr:<'OflD relate<:! th.'lt at t1me which
51l" believe<:! to be in late or :h"
anawared a telepho:w call llnd the 121/ln >:1\aking thlB c3:u
1.dent1fie<:l as LEE OSWALD, O::OWAL!l as:.:eu for her
hueband and stated he hac! received a copy or the "Weekly
People" and wante<:l to know HORACE 'l"WIPORD had obtalnell
hiB Oa!lle, •. T'•'IJ>ORD e;:platned thaL the "l.'eekly reopl""
i-" a newllpaper bl' the !loctal!st Labo::-
Hrs. 'NIPOP.D her beet recollection wa11 that O!li/ALD
t<tate<:l on that that he was rlytnll to lle>;lco, haJ 1.;
f"w hour,, and de111red to talk w1th Mr. T'>liPOfD.
OSWu.n 1.dent1!'ted h!=elr at: a member or the Pair :a••
Cuba Coallll1.ttee but atated neither ehe nor her hurband
.. ..
the Houston area, .\ cr the Pat:• rlay rcr
Cuba Co.=tttee !.11 set forth tn the llprendt.-: ol' th1a report.
'I'I-'l?ORD 11tated in!'ormed OS'JALD that h'r
huaba.n<:l waa then at llt:a but 1:' he deatred to
w1th Mr. 'l" .. 'IFORD he cculd a letter to 7cne Schley,
Houston, 'i'e:xas.
EXHIBIT No. 2335-Continued.
HO 105-1291
York Labor News Company, .31 CUff Street, !lew York 36,
!lew York, f. 0, DOJC 76. She tdentt:1t<:l th!a a .. the cnvelo.,c;
Which ha.:l been m.atled to her bf the Soclalill!;; Lolbor
rarty, It was notEd the upper cornel' pf thia <!tWelope
cnrr1cd the return addreao, in hand printing :u tol.lolle:
"! •• fi,
Box 2915
Dalla:.:, Te::u;.
'rhe above er.velope     p::oat o:.ar!:ed a>;
:lallae, Texaa on November 10, ().962 .'ln.! a rubber ata:r.;>
1o:preas1on !ndiceted tt 'iaa at Nen Yor!:, Neu
on llcvcm"ter 13, 1962, There r.o   ot:' the dnte
on thh had beer. to HORACE T'o.'IFORD.
A h.'lndwritter. n':lte ac•·o:.s the rror,t or this env:lope cor.tll11'!ld
the words Dolr UP, 9/11/63," ltrs. 'l".JIFORD
atl!.ted thla the handl;r1t1r::;: t>f he:.• hua!land and thia note
tndtcated to her her ha:! t.'J11led to OSWALD on
September the abO"/e. 1uue ol: '<:eertTy reo;>le".
          .. "nvebpe pet"Wlnuntly,
mr:ou HCUcm::s, U:lch Street was
alllo 1nte!'\11ewed on the atove at the r .. Jtdence of
tl.ra, T\.'li"ORD, HOUCIU!IS he "liB "l.l.kswtlle ac.tl\'e 1n tM
Socialist Lilbor Party snd that there   actuall:;
5 cr 6 or ·ore;a:tl.z:a:.ton in the entire
State or Taxaa, HOUcan:s exphlr:ed H fllirly e=on ,.hen
the l!ew York headtjuarter:; or th1:i organ1::.at1on reccrl\'ed an
!.nquir:,• from anyone tn Texu for that orcantzation to nctv1as
P.OMCI!: JUst !.n Cll!lll '1"\.I?ORD :111ght I1.:IV11 a!l OP;>'>l'tUn!;'"
t<> :t.J.kc a contnct, HOU:m:I!S staucl he <:lid Kn.:>< ·
or th-: receipt ot abo"/e cell 'ay 'I'I-'L"'Or.D u;.::!l
a days a!'ter the assausinatt?n or rrcu1dcnt )(El;}P.ID'! at
'lhtch tb.e he hac!   the thorO".Jghly Mrs.
T'd"'"J.l'ORD. stated he abo at that time telephoned
D.IJl RA':P.ER, a g.e::.ber or IIBC n<:'o;l!   to infor.n RA'l'"";IER
on a co:"Jfl<:lent1al bni.'l or th" of thta telepi'.one
cell. HOUcmi:S ztated he h:ld not..repot·ted th1:l the
PBl or asency, H:JU(;l-:::r.i3 llt:l.tec!
he hlld • \Ol.th ':>IIF0.1D va:1oue tndiViO:::uala 1n
who had shmm an interect tn the Soc1ali:.!t L3bor rert)l' but
to the best or h1s HORACE 'l"·IIFORD had known
lEE HAf!VEY OSI,';.LD, H:l'JCHDlS 'tOl•.1nteered the followtn;;
co=ents as b"ing or pod::tble ve1ue 1'"1 th.!a 1r.veot1gst1on:
Co:.r:.ussroN EXHIBIT No. 2335-Continued
HO 105-1291
HOOcr::J"'lS recalled that T'.,'IPOi!J) 01'\!C told hla ila
had received corrcapondence rr::>n DOhlCOI'\C ln .\rUncton,  
  • :nr ..
p<U'con but no ra.mea wu·e mention.,d, HOUCHINS •t•ted ho
.. entloned thla incident only becaUae he ho • .,_
that LEt OS'oi.U.D had a brothar or relative resl<!l:1:; 1.1:
the &rfta or Arlington, Tcxaa be:'<ecn Dallau and Fo1•t 'l>:lrtb
In conocet1o., thls tncldcnt JlOUCHINS located a DOta_tion
dated :-".ay 22, 1963 oonta1ntns the I'I&IILe JACK E, O!U:t:tER,
500 South Cooper, Al•llngton, Te><aa, HOUCHINS he
co'.lld not recall !'or au..-e but ORil-t<IER may have tun the
peraon ><h<> N:queetcd the above l1teratura,
HOUCHDlS !"urthet• recalled thut durinG tha eu:m.er
or 1963 1!01\ACE T'>o'IFORD had received the naD'e o: sene ,...._n 1n
Port llorth, ><ho waa a1so interested 1n the Soolsliat
Labor Party, He stnted that HORACE 'l">.'li'01Ul m:tde a trip to
Port \.lorth and later r"m.arked to him he had seen two or
three people in Port Worth ><ho appeared to ba int::>rested
in thh or;ra:11z:at1on bUt that one :l.lln ll1 pa.-tlcular ohowed tht.
most 1nte:-i'et, HOUCliDIS recalled   duct'l.bed tt".ia ILlU\
llS a youn& man ><ho lndlcated ho could not dlsou"s the
Socl..s.J..lat Labor Party at t.h and wllcn they got
together e1ae><here this ,-,an had verJ 11ttle to u.y nnd acte<i
rather atl"ani;ely. ROOCHlNS 11tll.ted thlB 1a a very vagua
recollectlon but he tt on the rl!'!llote change
the Cl41l N.!"errea to coul<i have OSWALD.
Both l':ra. 'r'.rtl>ORD and. KZNYO!I HOUCHINS stated they
"ere not II.C:Qt:.air.:ed "lth JACK RtmY IUl<1 that oo addHional
lrll'or::.atlon hAd COO\e to tt.eir sttentlor. wh1oh nlib>'1t relate
in II<'J way to th1a inve11tigation.
T,.'L">>IO atatea 11he felt •ure her husband "ould,.
be clsd to in thh !nvestlgatiOI'l hut tt woul<i
1:n;.osaibh to lntarvie'W h1<n prior to 14, 1963 e;xoept
by radio telephone which would not aero:-<: any 11ecur:ity.
)'.:;,.. 11tnted Bhe and h•r huaband have had
te1c;lh.one n=!:ler '>lA 3-5492 since moved to 7018 SchleJ'
in Novr..ber, 1962. Shs pointed out their pr<lVious telapt.oM
number wu )(I 9-8500 when the)• rulded at 7il23 Dlrt• Drive.
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CoM:.O.ITSSION EXHIBIT No. 2335-Continued
l•f<-pi,,f'!-..
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.-Coa•bdon hhibit lb. 2J36
C:>:tn:u ST.IT£5 ut JUSTICE
D\:Rt.\1; or I.'I"LSTIC.nJo;<
D:olla!l, :;:'o!>:as
July 29, 1<;64
JACK L. RDIIY;
LEt }f.CRvrt Of."•"Al p
By letter d11.ted J"Uly 17, lS64, tho Prealdaot'•
eo th<t Aaa.u•lnatlon o! Pre•idBnt l<•n::cdy
:::<>-inte::vle-..., '-'ltb John Berny B:nonch, R:t:::ry Lae and
G:rl!.">t relative to tt".a o! Br11nch that Rliliy ....,..
in El:>pir• Room, 1710 H:>ll Street, Dall:>e, on the night o!
nov::.;r.ber 1963, as nppo:;e<! to tbe Ot3.t<=ant Bury Lee
Jackso/1 that be n ..... Jtuby at the on Nov=l><lr 17,
1963.
}..t:;ached "r" report• of '-'it...,
.:tac:Jo<son, •nd ?atrob:an ;.lil11ar:o 1"!. s:arka 1n "!;he above
ccnn.,c:tion.
CoMr.ns.smN EXHIBIT No. 2336
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HO 105-1291
She atate<l the old and telepnone nu';lbcr ap?elr
ln the current ( 1.9.)3) Houston tele;lhone direc:to::-J
bec:auoe the dlreutory htld slready been pre!J"U'ed at the ti:nll'
they chano;ed reaidencea.
On Decembel" 2, 1963 If, J, RIJ'I'l!F:L, Aslllat::Ltlt KlJI".
Delta Linea Ino., 1300 '!'e;xaa Street rurnhtled :h" !'o!lo;,t,
1nfnrr.wt1on' concerning the recent ::oovementa or the "SS 0.:1
  operated by hiD c=pany:
8/31/63
9/16/C3
9/23/63
9/26/63
9/30/63
10/1/63
10/3/63
10/4/63
10/S/63
10/6/53
10/9/63
8
Dcparte<! Bra::11 cnroute
to Houston
Arrived Hou11ton
De:PGrte<! }four.ton !or Ne"'
Orleans, ... ur. br1ef
at Gt1lVe3ton, Te::ac ol\
9/23,24/63
Arrived New Orleans,
 
Departed l!ew
Louhie.na
Arrived Houaton, Te;"''"
Departed Hounton, 'i'exaa
Galveston,
Texa11 for Freeport,
Texan
Preaport for
Lake Char1u, Louhlar.!l.
Proceede<l f"rO<n Lakg
Charle11 to Corpoo Chrbtl.,
Texae
Corpuc Ct.rint1, to
llou .. ton,
CoMJ.ITSSION EXHIBIT No.
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FEDERAL OF JNVESTJG.i..TJON
D••• 7/27/64
1
JC$1 SAA:."CE:, 3722 Gre<tn.leet",
  aCero:ll5, .17!0 R»:.!     <:lll'll>or ':71.
.:-9062, "N.l:J inte:v!c...-ed zt h!:s o! bu•!ne:oe ;ond adv.!ud
as !ol!C'"..r.ll
Ha ll.:st. .:;!,CK RL'!IY Sat.l!;d.qt, !IO'l":::i:><lr 23, 1963,
et. about 5•G5 1'!·!. He 8::-3tcd b<:::r..d be'F'::: til;,:
evening at "-??-'":X!:::It.c!y 9•00 P!! and h• sav .:U.CK ROBY Juot
a !'ev r.inutcll "ft.er the band began playing. He said t.a wa•
su:;oe it ..,.,e Saturday, !l"Ovcmha: 23, 1963, becaUsll. it ""'" tha
sa;u:d:.y   a::lliUS!..atl= and the
!.:lg o! = P.iWZY CZ'M:!l by
B!'AJJC!l said thi"' not a
RtBY Juat happaned "<;c co<U by the ::cp!re :i\oo::o to diaCUJts
hir!nq a p!Zino player 0:1 behalf o! h!s •1ster, EW. GlUlNT.
RL;!Y told Bllt.!:Cil   sister '"-;c not. uthHort with ho:: pianiat.
She didn't. like th!s   bcc.luce he d!d no';. pl.3y "hat
'-":l.nt:Qd. BR:'.!."C.!l to:.d Rtr.3? he ='-'!::! gat. a   pDiyar, but bn
d!::! r.a:: :>dvis:J rtU!IY ... he wou:.d h!:::a. BAANCH   RUBY and
no dhcl!!l:lild t...,o h!r!ng of plsyer !or approxl=te1y
th!rty c.!nutea then RimY left !or the Carouse1 C1ub.
BRMll:ll said !t is p:::nlble he ., . .., W..RRY u::E .ll'.CJ::sov
t..,:.: even!:-.g, b:!t. he be ccrt:J!:l t.'"l<>t ho :>ctunlly
.n,.. h!.l::l.
:>M:r.::H n!.d th'lt:. Z=::: he :!"3'-' Rt-:JY on t/ova::::ber 23,
1963, Rt.'3Y   on dz.;:::.: !>lue o:;:: bl!tck p.l>Cts, .mite sh.!rt,
str!ng, w:ote:::n-typo tic, r;rcy "'Port co.ot, 11 bl.ack Fedora
h:.t. RUBY did not. weer tid . .a h)t lit t...,e bar.
Rtr.lY le!: BR... UC.H ac-==.-.niad h1.1!> to the door.
':'!:c lbll D!Ler 1s n-,xt. doc!' to t.'la E::p!u C1ub lind b" l.l!Gt
  ROSY w;,D: d!...,e:: tcr-tlrdll Ro•• Av•n"'•· h<>
had ?"d;ad hie e)::.
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CoMr.ITSSION EXHIBIT No, 2336-Continued
FEOEI<AlliUI<EAU OF lHVESTlGATI.-,t;
1/2f6!:
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Arnold Petersen, llationa1 Secretary a;:d.

Soe1Aliat tAbor Party (SLPj &nd llew York Labor Ne"a Company,
61 Clift Street, New York 8, Ne" York, 'that ho
been the National Secretary and TrcaslU'<lr o:r the SLP since
1914.
He eJ<plained that approxi=te1y t110 11eak:1 ll.GO he
received a letter rroro Horace 'I'.;itord, Houston, :rex.ls,
ia a Natior.al COPnl.ttee !'.an at Large in the state o! TeX,'l.B
::or the SLP. 'I'Nl!ord adv:l.aed, in his letter, t:ut he had
been cono,;acted by a representative o! the Federal or
Invest1.gat1on (FBI) !.!: who inqu1r;ana: about Lee
Harvey OSY.l-ld. Petersen did not h4'te a copy or thh
correspondence but that Twiford had indicated that
Oswald had evidently received literatut'e f:-c:r. the SLP.
:s.aid that he had never heard or Oa...ald un:::il tho
or President Kennec!y, Attar the receipt or
'l'W1ford Is letti!r1 he t=ediately had all records reviewec!
but no record "'aB located pertaining :o 01!""3-ld.
He addec! that Oswald could have written to th.,1r
organization requestir.g literature and a regular [oi'Q lett.)r
W<lulc! haVe b(,en sent to Os...ald with any litel';lture he rcc:,u'l.:L.d,
Petersen stated that the SLP has no organization 1n the ...
of TexaB a.r:c! that any literature to['Wardod to oswald in 'I'e:;:l:;
"auld have !:\!tia.lly to TWiford and he .:..'"1 turn tl-'clc!
have forwa..-ded aall>l! to Oswald. Petersen stated that
these inquiriea for are destroyed and he reiterated
that hb organlzat1on haa no reco:-d' Ol!"'alc!.
0.. 1/2/64
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Cm.nrrssroN fXHIBIT No. 3085-Continued
I:illq turib<or ro-qYuloed. tM1 1f • oro ..t o. <>er.';;l::J.
1ooatiol:l 01:1t.a1-a !f;. Orl""""• C.O otnoeo ot thio a!oc11111
t.o1opl>oni0All.T oontll.<>tood. :cor &rpO<li ohoolc..
on e-11\.-64 ru. .1.. o. Uol. • th:.'L DoltA nnd. r..:wtorn """' tho onl.:>' nrc
""'j<>:zo Jdrllnu Ylth <tlr-<>0'1; fiit;hU • ll.,. <>.<:wi :;htion.o.l.
.UrUnoo b.o..s :C.i.Cl>U Orb""" to llo.ooton, but not to r:t::u::D.. f".:rtl>a
-u....t \be ...-oord.., il>Cludir.:- o.r<> in r:n- Orl.....,._
to:- <>nlT tt.r- JOO.rtilll. liGl t& :.= trlll1o:Corred to '\ho Ca:>ora.l J.ootg..
O:tna., .H.lL!lt.., Coorai"- I:..o11crn =- 1!1o :ru.rtnc:o. cr
'l'iob"tll, ll.i....C., norl<l.o., «»d. lfo.t1on.l .tirllnoa r.><l'lr<i::o u-<o :ainWnod. 1.n Uami •
. U lltOO .1X on 8-J.8.-..C4 9A Vi.o.l t-ol.ophoni=l.l7 :turnillhod tile
i.nror.o.tlon to :uiO .1.. :&. Yon"'a. <>r>ol. llolO a 11<> :U. llob=1 :r.
,.,_, n..L
S.l. TioJ. o.loo ue.rt.rln<>d. tha"' "\l>o fA;>tooo' tr.n"o1 1.1r.o b:oa In O:rl.a= tc
!hl.lJ>.>o Th Dolo id 16 b<ru::ru
1
:><>-=1 ";bo iS h""'"• Ona W..
l2o4) J..J. ,.,..:1 a=l.Tn ho.lJ.Oi& 7t00 I'll,
'nlo tat-oo\ """'"1 'ti.>oo "W> D<Ul.LO rll>   :! .. 1) M...-.. Ono
'\1= d."::':>rta 10>)') a &rod o.:rrl.-....o 1125 .rn. ,\:>othEr dcp<>rt& l2o)J :101' ....:!. =...-""'
)115 l'll.
I1 ....., U.o:t onl7 U.o T=n4 <o.:>.Jl. P:.ci:!:l.o li.»J.=..d. ha.o di=>e' ocrna.
ti'OIIl'l.,.,. Or1e...,. W :O..J.l.4o, Ono troir> 8o15 M1 and. =:!.TOll :o..llu 8oZ5 P!l.
TWo onl;r o-tha- tnil> <iepar-110 a,)O PI! o11Ui o.r.l.vu Dallna 9•00 JL
ee i'•'-41nc n ca.rrto. :1"1-"""0..:::"''-., !':'<"\ ::JoY 0r1...., t.o DOUJOton.
but,.,; 'the o,.. tro.i.D <lcpnrto 12130 f'l( =d ..rrl..-., l!<nlot.on 9•15 :i'lL.
l\ ..-... uooart."\:ino.i "tl7 9J.!C l!:l.oo "\h4\ tho :l'rc= Tn=a .lirli.noo h= ,_ tllchu
ol..dl]' ::rom lin- -to Dal.J.IO.I,· • Ono tllcht d.oJ>,:li'tn Gt40 J,l.l. 'nle ether e.-
par-to 3•1.5 l'X o.n:f.Toa ll<L1l.<:o 1•15 :No Inqui..J o! rr. lhn :tolm<oon, o'! u.i•
..irllno, d.1oc1oud \hAt 1!1o rooor<l.o =int.:dnod in !l'o-r Or1&nna, but 1;hoo
_.. of o ..... oJ.o!. = IU.<ioll ll.io!. no\ "Pl'""'" on 1lw r-on.on-at1= list.
1'hc a.b<rro inr,.._tion tura:l.u-1 "In.oopoo-wr J. J:oUq b:T •
-.1 1.,15 ?.1 on Ro X'OQ;Uoot.d "\h.Lt tho =• of ol.l en U..
"l'n.nll rm:a,o n:f.#t "' )ol) PI( b<o uoerlo.in...t ,.nd. i.no1ude4 in 1!1e roport..
La.1a>:" tM.• - "'-"til I <x>o"I-A<>t.d. 11r, Carl Blouin, ll:.tlt\C<'l", :lrnna .lirUnao,
..Oc o.;n.a ot..ok e! r-eooz-d.o o.<trloood. -tho.t U.10r00 ....,.. DO ll<U).o.o
en thai Thi.a ....U. oizll.l>oo 008kao o.uq otc:;o& b.t-r.en ll'n
Ora.- and. llal.1.o6.
Cm.n.rrSSION EXHIBIT No. 3086-Continued
UNITED STATES SO l:l<b.iblt Jlo. JOB6
TREASURY
or l'r<>o.!.:O..i
JoM 7.
J:\ tbo rfl'lYOGt or l""l")'t.or E:ellcy
1
in-
'l.uirlo:. von ""'""' in J:<rr Orl= a..1C-to4 to dot<m:dDoO
it' iho:NO io rooo:N. of L<><l U...r?o;r 0,...:>1<1, o U=
  •
».ltl o.nd t.nrl.n ochO<hlloo =<> tl>nt t.o CX>Uld. :>:>11
h:n"o tr::nl.Ool <lurlll<f tl>• lloo.li1I in<tl.oat<>d,
 
no I'OQo:cd of llllJOll• h.win;:; t=vol<>d b:f 'O'rnna T<=>Q
/ Jirllne:>. 1.o IlallJl<l on 9-25-Gl. rcoordil er
]:.:u!Wl":l llrll=a <>llA I::o.Uo:l.:>l llrUn.,. aro b,:pt d
and Dolt& llrl:l.nac roeoi'<LI are O>o.!n-t..'l.inod. .,"
. .i:U=t&. l'he n-1 ....:!. .I.Ull.llta of:C.ooa _,... n-;;_ul04-t..i
"" ncWo ioqui.r1011 1.n 'lhoU dhtrlou..
=UJ,3 0? !1l'l'f!l':'IC:Afi0ll
ll.o!oronoo h Cl>do to proti""" I'OJ>Or\ ••.111<:1 tto-d 1n thio """"·
Oo At 10o20 U{C3':') 1 J. :IoU.-,;y =U.od. tllo rl<>'l" Or1B:IIla
Orfioo c.zul. try<>ke ><1 tl> A<lrl:m a. Yinl. lie culvic<>d. U.::.t -tho Fodoro.l lluz-o=
or hoA pln.ood Oo=l.d. in DO"o' Or1o= at BoOO .C\ on J.-2::-63) =J.
'Cl.l.t tu. oJ.l.oc<>dl.:' YQ;Qt to Ibllu, -thc.t nt.Cit <ht.o, .... -rtvin:;- botwo;>
6oOO P:\ 9100 n. I\. "r.i.<l thlu crooo che<U oY10 AJ.U
cc:ln'l o.r trm!D;:..ort.:.-tion Oc-.ol.<l oou.l<l hao"a uood, ouch ""' bua, tr;lin =d drllnoG,
o.nd. "thnt tl>& l:lll.Il1hcto o! nl.1 c.irtinoa n-co :r.,... 01'1""""' to ll:\ll= l:• o!;oO::Od.
U... n::ou 1.- ll::ru7 Oocl<i o»d. .1.1= llidcllJ t:J..'\'t it o..v rc<:<>X<1 -v= l<"fo>i.l-
o.blo, U.a ........ llbaul.ll. l><> tl.!IODI"t.'\1::10<1 vi.n?Q. Q,...cl.d. h::ro boton
CmrMissroN EXHIBIT No. 3086
llr. 1110\dn J'Oinhd. ou; "\ho,; o.J...o..t o.ll. :r..u...... tol<.o :::O.l.to or
E.l.otcrn drll.l>oo•, l1>l.ol> oUo.r dirooo\
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ucnall.;r t&kaa oon .to;r in i.tlt.no..U.o.-to ot<rt- in Louioi<u:;o.

!)Jo to tho t'&ctoT
0
H io oppo.roon\ 'tho.\ 0....-..14 CX>Uld. not h«o"o trtn"olod.
w lln1lJ:ul b]' or b<>GJ .rod 1.t -o, Uo.oro i.a no ro>ocrd. l:l.t.i.nt<Linod. 'tQ' -u.. ..
a..=iU"O u- to ....-. ot
m:qrrom:C!
Co:r.rMISSION EXHIBIT No. 3086-Con tinued
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ESC.\ ( RG 233)
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INTEROFFICE CORRESPONDENCE
TO
  Presly J.       ___ DATE August 12, 1963
FROM
SUBJECT:
Sir:
Sgt. Horace J. Austin & Patn. Warren Roberts
Interviet'l of four male subjects at the First District
Police Station, on Friday, August 9, 1963, after their
arrest from Canal Street.
The following informuti cn is respectfully reported relative
to the interview of four arrested subjects in the First District
Police Station, beginning at about 4:45P.M., Friday, August 9,
Or.e of the four subjects, identified as Lee Harvey Oswald,
age 23, residing 4907 Magazine Street, had allegedly been
distribut)ng communist literature on Canal Street, and three
.Cubans, the other three arrested subjects, had become> involved in
an altercation with Oswald, which resulted in the arrest of the
four subjects.
Lee Harvey Oswald furnished the following information when
interviewed.
He is a member of The Fair Play For Cuba Committee whose
address is 799 Broadway, NP.w York 3, N.Y., telephone 6R4-S295.
Oswald had in his possession a National 1·Iembership card issuon on
5/28/63, and the name on card was "V. T, Lee."
Oswald had also a local membership card dated 6/6/63 (N.O. Ghapter
of the FPFCC), and the president of the local chapter, whose name
was on the card was "A. Hidell."
Oswald presented his Social Security Card, which did not bear his
signature, and the number of ·(. his card t·tas 433-54-3937.
Oswald rresented his U. s. Corp. discharge card (Honorable}
bearing service number 1653230, and daLe of active duty from
24 Oct 1956 to 11 Sept. 1959.
Oswald stated he was born in Ne"' Orleans on Octo ter 18, 1939,
that he is about 5' 9" tall, about 140 lbs., and is a by
trade. He stated he did mechanic wcrk in the Corps, and
tl .at he is presently unemployed and hc: ... s been so a bout three weeks.
Before he was laid-off, O:;wald stated, he worked at the Louisiana
Coffee Company for about three months, and before that he had
worked at Fort Worth, Texas, at a sheetmetal rlace. Oswald stated
he worked in Fort Worth at the sheetmetal place for several months,
but was very evasive in answering any further questions of
employment Frior to that time.
Os\"ald stated tha t he lives with r.is wife, whose maiden name
was Pross, \'IF, age 21. They were married in Fort Worth,
have 0Pe child months of a r e, and reside presently at
4907 1-iaeaz:i..ne Strr.et, lower center, Nc\'1 Orleans.
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Oswald stated t,hc;. t he has t\'1.':) brothers, who rE' side, 'like his
rnother,in Fort \\'orth, TP-xas. Pc st:J.ted thst his fA.ther, John Lee
Oswald, is deceased.
Oswald's mothP. r: i1a rrarette Os\'!ald, resides by herself in
Fort Worth, Texas.
Oswald's brothers: Robert Os\:.1ld, age 27,
John Oswald,   a r.e 32,
Oswald stated he had talked to Eajor Trosclair r,etti.ng a
permit for F.F.F.C. C. and the Major advised him to consult his attorney.
Os\'rald said he never did go and see o.bout a per:!lit at city hall.
Oswald further stated the Cubans came ur. to him where he was
giving out the leaflets and began to tear them up and throw them
in the street. Oswald stated that they s tr1. rted to yell that he
was a and about that time the officers from the First
Disteict came up and a crowd had gathered. Oswald stated he joined the
Fair Flay for Cuba Committee when he found a leaflet on the street
one da)r and read what was on it, and sent $5.00 to the address
which was in New city and after a brief period of tir.1e he was
sent material through the mail and ,contacted locally, and he started
to attend the meetings, which he stated were held in each
homes. Oswald stated they, the members, get together and talk
about hCM it would be to visit Cuba, life in Cuba, etc ••
Oswald denied the o rranization was cor.munist, or a cowauni!:t
front, when asked by Captain Arnold, Conmanding Officer of
the First Police Nhc came in during the interview, but
Oswald had in his rossession and was carrying a riece of card-
board with"VIVA VIVA Fidel" painted on it and the paraphernalia
he was handing out was pasted on this cardroard also. Oswald
ntated he has never Cuba, and it as though he
is being used by these peop.fe and is very uninfonned and knows
very little about this organization that he belongs to and
its ultimate purpose or goal. Oswald stated that the peoFle that
attend these meetings are working :lass such as
clerical) trades, etc ••
The three Cubans were interviewed and furnished the following
information:
#1. Celso Macario Hernandez, aee 47, D.O.B. 1/8/16,
Social Security 265-76-8756
Hernandez statLd he came to the United States 14iami,
Florida; on October 9, 1962, with his family and he was a
traveling book salesman in Cuba. He came to New Orleans on
January B, 1963 and resides at 519 Adele Street, Me\'t Orleans
with his family. He has not had ar.y employment except for a
few days of manual labor in f.:iami, Florida, and is presently on
relief or welfare.
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The names of the family of Celso H. Hernandez are as
follows:
Wife: Maria De La Caridad Valero, WF, are 41 (Maiden name)
Daushter: Maria De Los Angles,   are 14
Son: Nicholas Pablo,
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Daughter: Teresita, viF, age 6
Hernandez stated he saw Oswald at ar;-roximately 1:30P.I·:.,
August 9, 1963, passing out c omr.:unist literature and he v1ent and
got his friends at 107 Decatur Street and at first they were
unable to locate this subject Oswald when they got on the Canal
Street streetcar, and they rode to Jefferson Davis Avenue and not
being able to locate Oswald they returned to 107 Decatur Street,
the Casa Roca retail clothing store. They remained there until
someone came in and told them where Oswald was and they then
proceeded to that location, where the three of them were carrying
the-sign described in formation relative to Carlos BrinE;Uier
in this memo. They then began to argue with 6swald and a crowd
gathered and they were all (four) arrested by the police.
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#2. Carlos Jose Bringuier, age 29,' D.O.B. 6/22/34, 5'8", 150 lbs.,
residiing 501 Adele Street, residing this address about
three months, born in Havana, Cuba.
Bringuier stated he is manager of the Casa Roca retail
clothing store, locc.ted 107 Decatur Street, New Orleans. He
began his employment about October 1, 1962.
Bringuier previously residing at 2046 Peloridas Street.
He lives with his wife and four children.
'\'.'ife: Del Carmen (Bearce), 't7F, age 25
Born in Ar!•entina·, ··]3,)-lenos Aires .
Earried in Buenos Aires, April 14, 1956
Entered U. S. February 8, 1961, at   Florida, by plane.
vlife er.tered U. S. in l•:iami in May, 1961.
Ages of children are 6, 5, 3 and 2.
Julio and Vicenta Bringuier, mother and father, reside at
1769 S. W. 17th. Street, I·iiamai, Florida, Eringuier stated .
. Julio v:as born in 1895 in Rer.:edios, Cuba, entered the U.S. after
invasion, believed by Bringuier to be. in l\;ay of 1961.
Vicenta was born in 1894 in Moron, Cuba, and entered the U. S.
with Julio.
Carlos Bringuier gave the following names of his brothers and
sisters:
Julio Enri']ue Bringuier, (brother), ag;:e 41, born Horon, Cuba,
now residing 1769 SW. 17th. Street, Miami, entered the U. S. at
end of 1961.
!·!aria (;ertrudis (Pelaez) ar,e 42, ( ter), resides 2224 Mendez
Street, married to Rolando Pelaez, -.rho also works at the Cas a Roc a
clothing store, 107 Decatur Street, Kew Orleans.
Juan Feliepe Bringuier, age 35, (brother), born in Cuba,
U. S. December 24, 1962, resides in New City, is
unmarrJ.ea.
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age 41, who is in Cuba. l·l<nia Del Car8en lives in Iberville project

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working in Criminal Court in went crazy.
Carlos ,Jose Brinr:uier also gave the following information
relating to himself. ·
His -social security number 435-64-3717,
His selective service number 16 42 34 462, classified 5-A,
local board 1/42, Orleans, dated Auruzt 24, 1961
Possesses louisiana drivers license number 1585883, date of
issue 2/2t/62, address on license Duplessis Street.
Possesses Immigrant Resident card #A 12 546 223, dated 2/8/61
Bringuier further stated that he is a local delegate of the
CUBAN DIRECTORATE, in City of New Orleans, apy:ointed by
one Jose Antonio I.anuza, Secretary, American /i.ffairs, Cuban
Student Directorate, P.O. Box 805, Main Post Office, Miami, Florida,
telephone Franklin 3-1476.
Bringuier stated that his first job in New Orleans was with
the California Redwood Produce Co., on S. Peters Street, by
!-lr. L. C. Levy. Bringuier stated he worked here two days.
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Bringuier then .worked at   Discount House, located at
714 Ganal Street, for about one year, beginning April 1, 1961.
Bringuier then became s self . employed pedler in
with his brother-in-law, Rolando Pelaez. They bought
radios wholesale and went aboard ships to sell same.
stated that he had a Port Security Card.
April of 1962
clothing and
Bringt:.ier
Bringuier then stated that on October 1, 1962, he opened
the Casa Roca clott ing 107 Decatur Street, and has been
working here until this
Bringuier stated he keeps the sign, in the Cuban's
rossession at the time of arrest this date, in his store.
This sign measures about 3 feet by 4 feet, a picture of the
Statue of Liberty, hand. with dagger on end of long chain, aZ!c Ct.!ba
rll-1 red by two links of the chain. The sign reads ''Danger! Only
90 miles from U.S.A., Cuba lies in chains!"
Bringuier stated that the was given to him by Arnesto
Rodriguez, age in his 30's, who resided at 1208 St. Charles Street
in Ne\'1 Orleans, at the tine Arturo Frondizi came to New
in J anuar!' or February of 1962. · Bringuier believes Frondi zi is
a comnunist, and he has twc brothers in Argentina who are
Conununists.
Bringuier further stated that he came to New Orleans
from Florida, by Greyhound bus, arriving in New Orleans
on February 18, 1961.
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Miguel Mariano Cruz, age 18, D.O.B. 9/27/44, residing
2.526 rt:azant Street, New Orleans, unma rried, lives with
mother, father anrl three sisters.
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Victoriar.8 (f.nri quez) Cruz, a g:c 56
Claudio Cruz, age 64, on Welfare.
Hordensia   Cruz, age 26, a student at Capelle
Beauty Sctoold, 1509 St. Charles Avenue.
Ina Josefa Cruz, 25, stays at home.
l·l'lria Teresa Cruz, lli;B 19, vlOrks at a petroleum c 0mpany
at night.
M; guel Cruz stGted that he is unemployed and is a
student Nichols High School, 11th. grade, in New Orleans.
I.\iguel Cruz presented his Selective Service Card, #16 145 44 4S3,
classified 1-A, dated 5/27/61, Local Bo2.rd #145, Orleans Parish.,
also his Immigrant resident card #A 12 920 831, bearing name
"Higuel l-lariano Cruz Enriauez".
Higuel Cruz stated that he entered the U. S. in San Juan,
Puerto Rico, on Decenber 5, 1962, went to Miami, Florida, right
away, stayed for two days, in Plaza Hotel, and left lhami and
came right to New Orleans, arriving December 12, 1962. He
stated that his parents and three entered the U. S. on
the same date.
\·:hen asked about other relations, Miguel Cruz named the
following brothers.
Paul Cruz, age 32, address unknovm, in Hew Orleans, married,
wife's name "Olga". Has tHo children, and is employed as a
waiter at the Royal Orleans Hotel.
Claudio Cruz, age 33, residing 2569 Congress Street, wife's
name "Angela", no children, employed as Bus Boy at the Royal
Orleans Hotel.
Enrique Cruz, age 23, residing 2601 Bartholomew Street, wife's
name "Olga", no children, is unemployed and on \0/elfare.
The interview of the above four arrested subjects by
Sgt. Austin and Fatn. Roberts 1·ras concluded at ap,roximately
6:00P.M., same date, August 9, 1963.
Res.pectfully,

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Interview:Mr. Alba states that he is 28 years in the business.
In 19§3, being a !gun-buff'_, he maintained three stacks_ of ma__gaz.in_- e.,

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told ALBA that he would be leaving soon for 'a pot gold'
GentiZZy. When the day arrived . (it might have been as long. as two
weeks) OSWALD waved to ALBA from the street and informed him that
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of Michoud, and the Chief of Security was one William
According to Mr. ALBA he and QSWALD would hold many conversations
usually about guns. They would never discusss Politics,
etc. and in his opinion OSWALD at times would indicate that he ·
possessed good knowledge about the subject and at other times he
would evince none at all. ALBA further states that over at the
garage OSWALD was very talkative while at the Coffee Company he
was very quiet and mouey-like. Mr. ALBA refers to him as something
akin to a whipped puppy dog and, being the type of individual he
is, he was trying to bring him out of his shell. The only type
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their discussions they talked about which calibre of weapon
more lethel; a small calibre or a large one. ALBA says that to
this day he believes they were talking about animals not people.
He states that OSWALD'S immediate supervisor at work was one
Charles LeBLANC and mentions a PECCORARO in the same context.
One time· while OSWALD was the garage office, ALBA was seated
at his desk, as he recalls it was around 1600 hours a car pulled
halfway into the garage and OSWALD said that his child was in the
car. ALBA paid him the courtesy of going to the office doorway
and to the car. He states that there was two women in it
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child in it. OSWALD went out> heZd a short conversation; the car
left and he returned to the foP a brief time before re-
turning to work. He (ALBA) does not remember the license plate>
state or any further information on the car. Shortly after this,
perhaps the next day> OSWALD asked if he could borrow his car.
ALBA informed him that he had a brother and a brother-in-law and
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ALBA then had a discussion with the ttJo investigators concerning
the worthiness of the Mannlicher Carcano rifZe and hotJ they were
availabLe in the NetJ Orleans area for $9.95 at that time.
ALBA always ate his lunch at Jack MANCUSO's restaurant and he
/;f saw OSWALD there many time but usualZy alone as he can't
anyone with him. (NOTE: Guy BANISTER offi.ce was just b ehind the
restaurant in the same building).
Duringthis period of time the S ecret Service stored their
as tJell as vehicles that were seized by them at ALBA's garage.
One particular day> he r embers it because it was rather unusual
and his memory was jogged by a TV commerciaL being shown just a
couple of years ago, a FBI man came down, showed ALBA his
credentials and also showed him a pass issued by the Secret
Service at Zowin·g this FBI man to take out what he recaZ 1-s as
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agen ·t for two or three days . During this time he was standing
outside of hi:s garage and he as he referred to it, 'my car'
coming down the street. He saw the plate number so it was the same
The car stopped at the corner Just outside of the Reilly
Coffee company and he saw OSWALD come out of the building, go over
to the
not hold a conversation of any duration, but take a
legal sized envelope holdit to his stomach under his T-shirt, turn
around in a crouched position, and go back into the building
straightening up as he went. The thing that Jogged his memory
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Buras only showed three of the five or six that were stored the:rq
and none were the vehicle in question.. Furthe:r efforts ll1iZ7, be
made in this direction.
In :reference to the Jones Printing .Company, which is located
around the corner, the owner was a liJho died
during .HuPxoiaan Camille. ALBA states that one of JONES's lovers
ki 7, Zed himself NOT JONES. Be furtheP sta.tes that OSIIALD visited the
Yo_ung Printing and returned there three: times quibbling over $3.00
of the price.
Examining _the phqto book ALBA or(ly -identifies one., #57 := OSWALD,
He is very aPeditable in his remembrances.
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as though he had never left it.
Did Lee Oswald ever tell you that he had
been fired?
No, sir.
Lee Oswald left Reily, from what we
understand, for the last time
July 19th of 1963. That's what
the records indicate.
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recall whether or not you saw
Lee oswald any time after that
period?
If I did, I think I could remember.
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never seen him since then.
Do you recall whether you saw him in
Mancuso's restaurant after July,
1963?
No, sir.
The last I saw of Lee
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go get his pot of gold.
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was trying to get on out there at
that time.
During the summer of 1963 Lee Oswald
was engaged in distributing
leaflets for the Fair Play For
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He never discussed
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Mr. Alba, you stated that almost
every day you took your lunch at
Mancuso's Restaurant, and while
the building is not here any longer,
the address was 544 camp Street,
the Newman Building.
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the Newman Building were various
offices, offices of different
committees, different private
businesses, a few unions.
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took your lunch at Mancuso's, did
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clientele that went to Mancuso's
over this period, get to know other
people who had lunch there?
I would know about 90 percent of them
by their face.
I know about 30
percent of them or maybe 40 percent
of them by association, either
customers that parked in here or I
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If we can go back, then, to the summer
of 1963, specifically to June and
a little bit of July, would you tell
us some of the clients that you
had here, F.B.I. and the Secret
Service clients, that you remember
distinctly having lunch at
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agents that ate in there. Judge
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himself sometimes. He would
invariably have his lunch sent up
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of courts, the u.s. Marshalls,
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That looks like a guy Bannister.
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Scorintina, something like that?
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4) Richard Rudolph Davis aka Rudolph Richard Davis or
Ricardo Davis. Date of birth: September 9, 1936
in New York City. Last kno-vm address: Room 214,
Kirby Building, 3801 Kirby Drive, Houston, Texas.
Lived in Cuba from age 2 - 26 years. Involved in
training camp on Frank De La Barre property on Lake
Ponchartrain. Connected with Guatemalan Lumber and
Mineral Corporation in early 1960's. Information on
this individual is requested for the period 1958 -
1967 only.
5) Roy Emory Hargraves - Arrested by Border Patrol on
December 4, 1962 in area of Marathon-Sombrero Keys,
Florida, for violation of Neutrality Act. Booked at
Key West, Florida jail. Member of Interpen group
under leadership of Gerald Patrick Hemming in early
1960's. Involved in air search for Alexander Rorke
in October 1963.
6) Carlos Eduardo Hernandez Sanchez - Cuban exile
arrested on McLaney property in   Louisiana
on July 31,
7) . Victor Dominador Espinosa Hernandez - Cuban exile
arrested on McLaney property in Lacombe, Louisiana
on July 31, 1963. Also arrested with Sam Benton
in Miami, Florida in June 1963.
8) Lawrence Howard, aka Lorenzo Salcedo or »Alonzo
Escuido". Date of birth: January 17, 1933. Last
known address: 12226 Pineville Street, El Monte,
California. Arrested in December 1962 in the Flori-
da Keys for violation of the Neutrality Act. Em-
ployed at I.T.E. Circuit Breaker Company, East Los
Angeles, California in September 1964 . . Information
on this individual is requested for the period 1958-
1970 only . (Please note tha t t he FBI file on this
individual has a l ready been proviced to the
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9) La Borde, aka John Tebault or Larry La Borde.
Last known address : 2753 N. W. 13th Street, Miami,
Florida. Member of Gerald Patrick Hemming's Inter-
pen group in 1962. Currently working for Immigration
and Naturalization Service in Miami.
10) Richard Lauchli - Last known address: Laxco Machine
Shop , Collinsville, Illinois. Regional Director of
the Minutemen in 1963 in Illinois . Arrested on
1-1cLaney property in Lacombe , Louisiana on July 31,
1963. Served time in Terre Haute, Indiana prison
for firearms violations.
Your prompt attention to this matter will be greatly
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PART II RESULTS OF INTERVIEWS
Carlos Quiroga - 2/22/78 - Daly
Became acquainted with Sergio Arcacha Smith when Smith had
offices in the Balter building. About the time Smith opened
offices at the Camp Street address, his reputation was
suffering among · the Cuban exiles in New Orleans, he being
suspected of theft of the monies collected for the anti-
Castro cause. Quiroga stated that the usual daily routine
was for Smith, Dave Lewis, Jack f.iartin, David Ferrie and
himself to to to Mancuso's restaurant for coffee. Smith
usually went to Banister's office to talk on an almost
daily basis . The last time Quiroga saw Oswald was when
he (Quiroga) visited Oswald's home to obtain FPCC literature.
He does not place Oswald in the 544 Camp Street offices and
identifies Ruby only from having seen pictures of him in
newspapers.
Layten Martens - 1/24/78 - Brown
Martens knew David Ferrie from his membership in the Civil
Air Patrol, Ferrie having taught him to fly. In 1961,
Ferrie asked Martens to assist him in raising funds for
Cuban exiles. He stated that he, Ferrie and Guy Banister
had lunch together on several occasions, but was unable to
identify the restaurant. He worked for Arcacha Smith,
in Cuban exile activites . States that he did not know
Oswald, and to the best of his recollection had never seen
him. He was also unable to identify a picture of Jack Ruby.
Frank A. Bartes - 3/15/78 - Brown
Stated that he knew but had no respect for Arcacha Smith.
Bartes became New Orleans delegate of CRC after Luis Rabel,
who assumed that position whe n Arcacha was ousted. Bartes
had no recollection of· ever havi ng been in the 6ffices of
any of 544 Camp Street.
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at 531 Lafayette Street (same as 544 Camp). He further
stated that the gun Oswald use d might have belonged to Ferri
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Sam Newman - 2/14/78 - Daly
the owner of the 544 Street (531 Lafayette)
bu1ld1ng 1n   •. In the presence of Investigator Daly,
Newman searched h1s records and it was determined that he
had none on the occupants of the building for the period
of time in question nor did he possess a floor plan of the
building, which is no longer in existence.
1·1ary Banister Wilson - 4/6/78 - Buras
Mrs. Wilson was contacted telephonically by Investigator
Buras and told him she possessed no records of her first
husband, Guy Banister, and indicated a degree of hostility
toward any which might involve her recollections
of activities of her husband in the early 1960's. She does
not wish to cooperate with HSCA.
Jack Mancuso - 1/26/78 - Daly/Buras
Mr. Mancuso, whose restaurant in 1963 was located on the
ground floor of 544 Camp Street, stamd that it is his
position as a restauranteur to serve his customers and not
pry into their business. He has no recollection of ever
having seen Oswald in his place of· business, confirms that
Guy Banister was a regular customer, along with Jack Martin
and three or four Cubans "from upstairs". He did not
identify the picture of Jack Ruby and identified Oswald's
only because he had seen it in the newspapers.
Anna Ste'"art - 4/11/78 - Daly
Anna Stewart is . the present Acting Secretary Treasurer for
Local #166, Hotel and Restaurant· Employees and Bartenders
Union which was headquartered at _544 Camp Street in 1963.
She supplied Investigator Daly with the membership records
from that period of time ·(1962-64). Daly was unable to
locate any of the union's officers from the 1960 era. Of
interest to this committee was the appearance of the name
of Kerry Thornley on the membership list of October 1962
· April 1963. This was the only Oswald associate who appeared
on the list. No Ruby connections to the 544 Ca mp Street
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Ross Banister - 2/20/78 - Daly
Brother of Guy Banister, Ross had occassion to be in an
around his brother's 544 Camp Street office in 1963 era.
He stated that the office appeared . very busy with many
people coming and going, but knew his brother was in
financial trouble. He further stated that "--- Guy told.Jlim
that he saw Lee Harvey Oswald handing out FPCC literature.
Ross advance·s the theory that the reason Oswala used 544
Camp Street was due to Guy mounting a publicity campaign
via the States-I·tem newspaper effectively killing the sale
of jeeps to Cuba and that is why Oswald used the Camp Stxeet
address in an attempt to ernbarrassGuy." Banister dicl not
identify the picture of Jack Ruby and identified Oswald's
only because he had seen it from newspapers.
Russell Willie, aka Major Wylie - Buras trying to contact
This interview has not been scheduled although Buras and
Willie have tried to arrange a mutually agreeable time.
Ross Banister said that Willie purchased his brother's
records for $500 from Mary Banister. The extent of Willie's
association with occupants of 544 Camp Street will need to
be established if an interview occurs.
PART III Analysis and Conclusions
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No definitive conclusion can be reached until all persons
are interviewed. As of now, the most solid statement we
have would seem to be that of Carlos Quiroga who was a
daily inhabitant of Mancuso's restaurant and knew Banister,
Ferrie, Arcacha and Oswald. Since he says that he never
saw Oswald at 544 Camp Street, and his credibility far
surpasses that of Jack Martin, it seems reasonable to
clude that Oswald was not a frequenter of 544 Camp Street.
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ATTENTION: Norbert A. Shepanek
FROM: Marvin L. Smith
Chief, Operations Group
SUBJECT: House Select Committee on
(HSCA) Request
REFERENCES: A. HSCA Letter (.OLC 78-2249) dated
19 June 1978
B. OLC 78-2249/1 dated 19 June 1978
1. (S) An intensive search of the files and
indices of this Directorate has revealed the following
information on the individuals and cryptonyms. listed in
Reference A. Because incomplete biographic data was
provided, the information surfaced may or may not pertain
to them.
A. Ivan Gavrilovich ALFERREO
No information
B. Arne sto RODRIGUEZ
(1) 201-0275643 (Arnesto Napoleon RODRIGUEZ
(Y) ·GONZALEZ) (xerox copy attached)
(2) CI/SIG memorandum dated 27 November 1963
(Filed in 201-0289248 (OSWALD) which is
temporarily charged to CI/EXO.)
(3) DCD memorandum from New Orl eans dated
5 March 1962 (xerox copy attached)
FOR REUZASE 1993
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201-0741600 (Gilberta Policarpo·LOPEZ)
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CI/EX0.) .
TSS-392 dated 22 March 1949 (xerox
copy attached)
, DIR 319509 dated 29 September 1972
(xerox copy attached)
DBF-94584 dated 14.November 1951
(xerox copy attached)
CI/SIG memorandum dated 10 December 1963
(Filed in 201-0289248 (OSWALD) which is
temporarily charged to CI/EXO.)
CI/IS card reference to information -,·:::
dated 30 April 1964 (Filed in 201-0289248
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(2) DBF-15288
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DBF-17981
dated 10 February 1959
(document is lost)
2. (U) All third agency documents attached
herewith have been enveloped. The date, classification,
subject and file number of each document have been typed
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subject of an FOIA or PA trace request.
4. (S) The ,processing of this case was closely
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The files of the following concerns were checked
regarding possible application for employment by LEE HARVEY
OSWALD with negative results:
1 O'DONNELL BROTHERS PRINTING, 951 Lafayette
New Orleans, HAROLD J. 0' DONNELL,
JR., President
2- UNITED FRUIT COMPANY, . 321 St. Charles Avenue,
New Orleans, ROLAND HAROLD SCHROEDER,
Personnel Manager
3 - SOUTHERN PRINTING COMPANY, INC., 411
Tchoupitoulas, New Orleans, JAMES B.
SIRGO, Secretary-Treasurer
Through inquiries at the New Orleans Retailers Credit
Bureau and other appropriate sources and by review of the
city and telephone directories, no was found for the
following individuals or companies:
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Rex Photography
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Mrs. BEVERLY Laboratory Technician,
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SCHOENHARDT called to inquire about a plant which produced
the alkaloid mescaline. She stated that this could not
have been between June 10, 1963 and July 5, 1963, as she
was on leave during that period.
Mrs. PANCAMO said that she recalled thi.s person
well as, in stature, he resembled her husband. She
the ca·ller as a white male , age about 24, 5' 6" tall, who
weighed 135 pounds, was pale and had a receding hairline.
Mrs. PANCAMO could not identi fy a photograph of l.EE HARVEY
OSWALD as being a photograph of the person who had called
at the office tpe City Chemist. She stated that the
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an alkaloid called mescaline. The person calling said
that he was making a study that he believed would be
of importance psychologically.
Mr. SCHOENHARDT examined a photograph of
LEE HARVEY OSWALD and could not identify it as being
of the per son who had called at his office.
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Prot ect ive Clos e d - Hew Orle2- ns Lee Harvey Oswal
INVESTIGATION MADE AT PERIOD COVERED
Assassination of President
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L2- . Jan. S - 14, 1964 John F. Kennedy
INVESTIGATION MADE BY
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DETAILS

Additional inves tigation conducted  
Orlea ns concerning at
request of Chi e f ' s office in an ef_ort to
learn Bore ab out hi s activities, earnings,
etc., '\·rhile he 1·ras in rJevr Orleans during
the period commenc ing approximately
4-26-6J to a pproximately 9-24-63.
DETAIL.'3 OF I_l!VE'3TIGATI01J
made to previous r eports s ubmit t e d by this
offi ce in t'11 e above-c<:. ptioned car, e , particula rly report
da t ed l - 3- 6l, submitt e d by SAIC ·John Jl. Rice.
On 1-B-64 t elephone call was r eceived by SAIC Rice f rom
I ns pe ct.or Th omas J. Kell ey, l-rho r equ es t ed that Hr. and
Hr s . .J. Ga rne r, ,g.!,..k91 l New Orlean s ,
be again   in depth to de t ermine the total rent
paid by :-rhi l e he residi n g at 4907 Haga zine St.,
a nd all ava ilable informa tion as to his in-
cluding vis itors; a nd time s pent a t a nd away from r es i-
de nce, etc. It was al s o r equested tha t we determine the
income available to him during his stay in New Orleans,
<:. nd tha t we obtain copy of the st eamship company manif e st
l is ting as a p as senge r on the S/S
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on the voya gE; from NeH Orleans t o La Havr e ,-·France--;--th
3 eptember - October 1959.
As \·fill be noted in our off ice memor andum of 12-3-63,
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640 z ine <Jt., Ne ,·r Orleans, distributors of
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fr om Ray 10, 1963 to July 19, 1963. During this period he earned
a t otal of 0 548.hl. ?he inform.:.:.tion relative to inclusive dates
of e E."ploynent· and total earnings Has obtained from ASAIC Joseph
Sylvester, Federal Bureau of Investig ation, New Orleans, on
12-3-63, ina smuch as all records pertaining


had been t urned ove r to that off ice by the In a tele-
phone cor.ve:-sation i·i ith ... Hanager, ·.
\'Trn.. B. P.eilly & Company onl.:.lb-64 reporting a gent was informed /.(
that Oswald had been_
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not being available when needed. ur-. Prechter stated that there
;-ere numerous occasions \'/'hen Oswald Hould be needed to do a
certain job and he could not be located by his supervisor. He
there ' ·rould be times when one for eriods
an hour or when questioned he coul

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whether Oswald l'rould lea.ve the plant on such occa sions or whether
he was in some r e mote sections of the plant. Mr. Prechter also
s t a ted that Os"ra. ld Hould not "communica te" uith his
· he h e ld hims elf aloof from around him.
Inve sti3ation b y this office a nd the FBI f a iled to dis cios e any
other e mployment s i n New Orleans during the time Oswald ,.,as
siding here from approximately .4-?6-63 to approximately 9-24-.63 •
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On 1-10-64 ,ltr • . ,T   toms A6 e.nt in .Charge, ··.
Orleans, furni:; he dtnl:s or'f'ic e for r e viel'f the outivard manifest
of the America n Steamship
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Lykes Bros.. Stea ms hip Company, 1fhich depa rt.ed New Orleans · on
September 19, 1 9 59, four . including
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H.; oswald", a nd 43 s eamen, Voyage No. 110 The itinerary was : ' · ··.::/ ·
as follol'rs: · Nazaire/LeHa vr .. e/. · ·; .!
Dunkirk, ' France/Rotterda m, · Holland/ Antwerp, · Bel gium/Bremen/ ·· · ·. · ' .. ·
·Bremerhaven, Ge rmany, with ·.cargo :;to be Le Havr.e, :· ,.' . : . .-· : .. . .
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copies of whi c h vrere ,obtaine d, list e d 1-fr.· Lee H. Oswald, male, ··
age 19, U. S. · ci tize n, · permanent a ddre s 3 Fort Te x as, y . . . .:.
Pas sport · No. 1 '733 242 , port of e mbarkation - He\>r  
of .. HC\vre, · Fr a nce, Ti c k e t No. 6762 . The other · .: ···: ;;
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Orleans uas Septe mber 19, 1959, the actual departure date
,..,as September 20, 1959. · According to information previously
from the FBI, New Orleans office, the ship arrived at
La Havre, France, on 8, 1959. This has not been veri-
fied through inquiry of the Lykes Broso Co., Inc.,
but will be done if necessary • •
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and 4907 Magazine st.
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Hr. and Hrs. Ga rner stated that Lee Har-v-ey Oswald paid a
monthly rent of $65.00 on the furnished apartment which he
and his rrife h a d rented at 4907 Hagazine St.; that utilities
were not included in the rent and that the oswalds \fer'e re- .
sponsible for payment of the utility bills. stated that
Oswald paid a total of four months rent; totaling $260.00;
that his rent uas up on 9-9-63 but Os\·rald stayed on in the
apartment until 9-24-63 out did not pay any additional rent
after 9-9-63. He, therefore, left o>·rin.g about 15 days rent
on his apcdtment. Hr. Garner stated tl:lat · Oswald al\·Tays paid
his rent in and that he l·ras usually tardy in paying his
rent. He said that on one occasion Oswald told him he was
expectihg some money in a couple of days and would pay his
rent then, not mentioning the source from which he expected.
to receive the money.
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and had very little to say to anyone; that he maintained an
arrogant attitude toward everyone 'vTith whom he came · in contact. ··· .-.. -_._. .- ,
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ently ·-·for the reason that she could speak ' only Russian; that . she · . .
appeared friendly enough and .: w ould smile - and let · them ·know tha. t ·; .· :
she was a ,.,are · of their- pre_s ence _. but would never . ..:-.·. ·; ·.-. ' · :
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about one-half the during which he occupied the
apartment at 907 Hagazine St. or for about · the ' ··last two months
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upon noti c ing the si gns, vrhich \..rere pro-Castro, he ordered oswald -;.
to the down, whereupon Oswald wanted to know who
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that he_ ob,jacted to the signs and t hat he lfould have to take
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In reply to our inquiry, Nr. and Ers. Ga rner stated that Oswald
was frequently in and out of his apartment; that he would leave
but not be gone for very long periods of time. They said that
h9 would use the busses for transportation about the city. They
advised that the Oswalds left apartnent in a filthy con-
dition, Hrs. Garner adding that sh e had to discard the mattress
1;hich th e;t had used in their apartment because of the condit'ion
in which had left it. Mr. Garner stated that after the · .
Oswalds had no ved h e discovered that the apartment stove and
electric refrigerator ha.d been danaged during their stay, the
the freezer doer being broken on refrigerator ·
and the'handles on the stove being broken off.
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The Garners repeated information preViously £urnished by them
to the . effect that Oswald kept to hicself and read quite a loto
They said, in reply to questioning, that had never observed
Os>mld carryin.; any packa5e which could have contained a
Gdrner stated that Oswald and his wife had been observed
by him on at least two occasions in a nearby super narket buying
fairly good supplies of groceries. Mrs. Garner stated that the
no telephone in their apartnent but that Oswald at
no time made any _a ttecpt to use the Garners t telephone.
H!'s. Garne r stated tha t. an FBI n2-ne believed to be Hilton
Kooch or "loach, 1.·r as inves ti zating Os v1ald during the time he lived
at 4907 !·Iaca?:ine .st.; that he h a d interviewed her about four or
five times about 0Sl:fald.. She said this FBI .Age.nt had called on
her the day after Oswald had that he had never indicated
in any way 'trh;-/ he was checking on Os•'lald but that she came to ·
believe that Oswald mi ght have been suspected of being. a : Coz:amunist.,.
especially after he had displayed pro-Castro circulars on. the
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apartment and that >·rhen she did she would go only to a small ·
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Questioned as to any visitors . •·rhich the os·walds may have had -w·hile ·_:.· ·: .
occupying the apartment at 4907 Maeazine St., · Mrs. Garne r . stated ·
that they hacl ver:l , very fevr visitors. She reiterated i.'nformation
fl.!rnished dur :i. n g a previous intervie;..r and as nentioned on Page· ... Three ·.·
of ny report of 12-4-63 that . she recalled one occas ion when a
came to her one and inquired for directions ·
to Oswald's She stated thatthis young man appeared
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be the Latin type; that he ·spoke ·.:ith a Spanish accent and
tha t he had in his hand a number of pro-Castro circulars of .
the type which displayed on his porch. (The · ·
individual referred to may have been Carlos Quiroga, . mentioned . ...•. ..
on 14 of . SA Vial's. report of . .:·_,,,·,_· .. :· ... ::.:
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As !':lentioned on Page Four of my r e port of -12-4.:_63·, 1·:hen con--·:
. tacted on 12-2-63 Ga-rner state::l that she recalled that ···
  had been visited on about three occasions, always late
·. :-_. ·.':_.--in the evening or about · by a ·middle aged,. grey
who _,_wa.s . rather thin; : not tall·; .. l_!ad a receding hair _· ·
fair ,complexion;- neat dresser;,;·· She stated that;•· .. · ·'
reported, on one accompal!ied .. ..
. · \by. whom she could not She the man ,re- - · .. · _ . .
. . ' ferred . :to. arri Ved __.- in .:_the. S am.e .that it definit e;J_y -.: .· -. •_·/ -- .
. was not a stat 1on wagon; ' that· it appeared to be a heavy_ ca_r ·,- · . ··'-.
and it .. was her recollection ._that it was light blue in color; . :
.. • . further that on one occasion the Oswalds -and their baby had. -:.:··_
gotten into this c.ar and ·driven away l·rith the unknown middle
····· aged nan, this being on a Sat_urday • . . The license .. number ·· of this ·
. c_ar not ·cYner. · _. .• ····_. . ... . _ " _·. ;_<\:j .... :··
At .. .. Nevt, the· night o:f .
:·'\.. 'Rl'Ce' I         ...     next · :
.. door to the OslvaY.ds dur tile t1me tne ffite'r couple . ;-· ·\
occupied a sraall apartment ·at ' 4907 l-!agazine St. In reply · ... •
questioning, 1-fr. · and Hrs. · Eames stated that they ·had never .. ob- .. . ..
served Oswald carrying any kind of package which· may have · .. : .. : ·· ..
t i d a rifle · · ·..:. · · · · .. -,. ··.·-::.... .. :, ·· · ·
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., Both ·Mr •. :ancl stated. that · a in 2-tone :·.- blue: .. , . ·.-.
stat iori··.wagon · had· ··on: ·9 .·
s everal ···mont.hs apart ·. ·, .. They sta t _ed that the. woman .. had '' b.rought ..
_:: · Hrs. oswald and her small daughter to the apartmenf' .'at 4907 . ·
·· Magazine St., and .;that several .months · .later: she -.··
, . • • • · ·. - • . ... · · a · '" • 'r ., · 1 (: · • •
·   • · picked up_ .. Hrs •.. Oswald and: he;r child. · .. It · Wcl-S ·.:th ¢ir :.- ; :·
.. that · the ·woman had · spent or three -days'·\ .tit h .. Oswalds· , on _: ·: :. ; ·
.. · .:. both 'visits; that t hfl woman had two small daughters' with ... ' . ... :::
·::·< :-::--_:. They . . st. a -ted ·L hat · Oswald ,·remained . at 4 907 ··z.zagazine .St ··.&i:.,;. ,
· :·:/_·_:: . days ··· a:fter hls ·wi;fe ·:·ar1d . t-rith the · -woman in the station . •?<·. ·
·: · : wagon· • . : They st a ted· that · 11rs Oswa ld and · her'· 'child ·left about·· .. .....
· nid-day; :.that oswald inust .;have left at night' ... as . they·· did ri."ot . ..  
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· hl.m vrhen he left ., .. · . ··:· · · · · · .:..:: · .· · ··· , . · " !':.' · •
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the neighbors and kept to ·himself. l{r. Eames stated that he· .. was ..
sitting on h :i.s front porch one evening s hartly after the r os w:alds
hc.d noved into the u partraent next door; that vrhile hewas .. .;
porch l.fr. and Hrs. · Os wald pas r, ed on the sideHalk; that he bid ... ·.
Oswald the time of da y but that Oswald looked strai_g.I:t  
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and did not speak. 3oth e...nd Hrs. Eames steted that·
Os1·re.ld spent ml.lch tine in r,e&.ding; that he \·ras frequently
observed sitting on his screened porch reading and on other
occasions they could see him seated in his living_room reading.
(Ers. Garner, of 4911 Hagazine .'3t., had previously sta;ted to·
reporting agent that Os><ald had placed ·a la!i!p on his screened
porch and that he would use. the lamp Hhen reading on his porch
at night) ..
Hr. and, !L..-s stated that Os"'.·;c..ld had very .fe1·r visitors;
that they recalled one occasion •·rhen a representative of HDSU
radio station visited Os1-rald at his apartment. This Has about
the time: that OsHald had a radio debate 1<;i.th Carlos Bringuier,
an Cuban refugee, over this radio station.
The couple stated,that while they sitting on their
front porch one Sunday evenini they observed a middle aged man
and Ho-man bringing the OsHald·couple and their child home in
a car. They stated thatju.'dg;i.ne from appearances it seemed as
if the OsHalds had spent the nlght with this couple; that they v
had several zipper type overnight· bags with them. They also ";/.
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.stated that no in apart-
nent the prenous nlght, glvlng rls e to the bellei onat the ·
Oswalds had, spent the night a\'Jay from their apartnent.
. '
Hr. and llrs. 3er;;es stated that on occasion the OsTralds would
s·hop at a Hinn Dixie store (super market) at 490l Pry-·
tania .')t., several blocks. from their apartment. They stated
that Os>·rald NLIS in and out of his apartment during the day but
was usually at home at night. ·They stated that when he left
his apartment he usually boarded a bus at the corner from his
_apartment, 1·rhich · Hould take him to the downtoHn ·business
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·:foreign langnaee, possibly Russian; that· at 'times the Os>>alds ..
-·,appeared to be arguing in a 'j'oreign language, Hhich they could
,not understand, They had never- heard J.Irs •. _Oswald 'speaking in.· .. "':;;·::-·.
SAIC I ..
occupies the small''front apartment at !f90'(
Orleans. Hr. Hogers stated t.hat he and hls ·,·rLl'e Fiad moved to·· _,..,,
. this about June or ·July 1963 and that the Osl>'ald couple :
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. '1-rere occupying an apartment at this same address ·,·rhen they moved
in. Hr. Rogers staft>ed that os·1·rald had several visitors at .
. [\intervals, one of 1-r\i.._om appeared to be an American; that the
. nppeoced to bo fmignorc and "r' tho Jotin ty,o.
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Hr. Rogers stated that he ha::D never had any convers2.tions
Hith Os;,ald, who >rould sp_yak to no one and kept ·to himself.
,._·..... He said that Os>rald read a lot and that he >;as a neat dresser.
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Hr. Rogers .stated that he understood that OsHal<j had left
oHing tha New Orleans Public Inc .. ,. far ttili ties ..
., \ Oswald
In reply to questioning, Hr. 'Rogers stated thatj>·rould fre-
quently leave his apartment during·the day but that as a rule
·: __L! . h-e Hould not. be gone for very long. On such occasions, he
·•_:J:.: .Hould·use. busses as a ·means of transportation.
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'.;_[_:;·_ ., Hr. Rogers stated that he .>·ras at home on the occasion >·rhen J.Irs. ·
· (·'-'_'I( Os>·rald and -her child left in a light brow·n Ford ·or Chevrolet
.;':···-/ station.Hagon >·rith a man and ><oman. He said the man >·ras about
f.·:;;{' in his 40
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s and >ras'short and stocky.' In reply to questioning,.
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·Hr. Rogers stated that he is certain.there >ras a man present on
this occasion. He said that OsHald left about 7:00 PH the
day ef:ter hi5 Hife
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s depar-ture; that Os>;ald had tH.o pieces of
luggage (large traveling bags) with him >·rhen he left; that
Oswald was in a hurry and ran to catch a bus at the corner of
1-:agazine and Upperline Sts ., almost directly across the street
from his apartment. ·This bus '·rould have been proc.eeding from
th0' uptowri :>eGtion of Hew O:"<Leans tQ the do1·rnto1'm business
section of the city.. ·
Hr. Rot;;ers stated that OsHald ahrays talked Hith his w·ife in
Russian or some foreign language; that he had never seen Oswald
>rith any package which may have contained a rifle. He
the fact that Oswald had on one occasion put up some pro-Castro
pamphlets or circulars on ·bhe screened porch adjoining his
apartment. He said that on occasions oswald displayed a bad
temper and appeared to be abusive toward his wife, jud3ing from .
the manner in which he >·rould speak to her., He said that Hrs.
OS'l<"ald 'seldom left her apartment. . .. , ·
No infOrma·bion
1
dO.S ·received from any ·of the above-mentioned·
individual<- >·rhich ·..ro1J.ld indicate that neetin;5s had been held
at the Osl·mlcl apartment at 4907 Hagazine Street_
DISPOSITION
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Ti:is case Hill be considered closed at He'" Orleans,. unless we
a:-e advised .Lhat additional informati.o:tl is· desired ..
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    With to tha evailnbl c to Oswa ld
his stay in rew in 1963, apparently Oswald
received unemployment compensation fr.om the ')tate of Tej:as
dur.ing the time he 1-ras in Hew Orleans. The amou,nt involved
is not kno\m to this office, but it is ass.uned-   this
information l'ras obtained by the Dallas office. (See Page lB
of SA Via.l 's report of 12-3-63). ·
As indicated in report dated 12-9-63 by SAIC Rice , t he
Federal Bureau of c nused a thorough search to
be 1!1-a.de at Union, :ie\'i Orleans, but failed to locate
any record of orders having been received by Oswald
any source.
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; .On   July 27, 196), a relative of Lee Oswald, a member of
the community at the Jesuit House of Studies, asked Mr. Oswald if
he would address the scholastics on his experiences in Russia. The
request was not unusual, for the scholastics try from time to time
to have either prominent persons or others who have something in-
teresting to relate speak to the scholastics on their experiences .
Because Mr. oswald was an American who had gone to live in Russia
and who had returned, obviously for a reason, i t was thought that
he might be able to communicate the nature of the Russian people
themselves better than any official reports misht. Those who went
to listen to him expected to hear a man who had been disillusioned
with Soviet communism and had chosen America to it. What they heard
was only partially this.
The major points of Mr. oswald's address and details from it
are given below, probably never in verbatim form, but always true
to his intent, at least as he was heard by a number of people.
He worked in a factory in Minsk. \ofhen he applied for permis-
sion to l ive in the Soviet Union, the Russian authoriti es had as-
signed him to a fairly well advanced area, the Hinsk area. He
said that this was a common practice: showing foreigners those places
of which the Russians can be proudest .
The factory life impressed him with the care it provi ded for
the workers . Dances, social gatherings, sports \-Tare all benefits
for the factory workers. Mr . Oswald belonged to a factory-s pon-
sored hunting club. He and a gr oup of workers would go into the
farm regions around Minsk for hunting trips. They woul d spend the
night in the outlying villages , and thus he came t o know Russian
peasant life too. In general, the peasants were very poor, often
close to starvation. When the hunting party was returning to Minsk,
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it would often leave what it had shot with the village people be-
cause of their lack of food. He spoke of having even left the food
he had brought with him from tocm. In connection with the hunting
party, he mentioned that they had only shotguns, for pistols and
rifles are prohibited by Russian law.
Some details of village life: in each hut there was a radio
speaker, even in huts where there was no running water or electric-
ity. The speaker was attached to a cord that ran back to a common
receiver. Thus, the inhabitants of the hut could never change
stations or turn off the radio. They had to listen to everything
that came through it, day or night. In connection with radios, he
said that there was a very large radio-jamming tower that was larger
than anything else in Minsk.
More about the factories: factory meetings 1-1ere held which all
had to attend. Everyone attended willingly and in a good frame of
mind. Things came up for discussion and voting, but no one ever;
voted no. The meetings were, in a sense, formalities. If anyone
did not attend, he would lose his job.
Hr. oswald said that he had met his Hife at a factory social.
The workers, he said, were not against him because he was an
American. Vlhen the U-2 incident was announced over the factory
radio system, the workers were very angry with the United States}
but not with him, even though he was an American.
He made the points that he disliked capitalism because its
foundation was the exploitation of the poor. [Be was disappointed
in Russia because the i'ull principles of Harxism were not lived
up to. The gap betHeen Harxist theory and Russian practice dis-
illusioned him with Rus ::!ian J He said,
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After his talk a question and anm-;er period followed. Some
questions and his answers:
Q.: How did you come to be interested in Marxism? to go to Russia?
A: He had studied Harxism, became convinced of it and wanted to
see if it had ked for the Russian people.
Q.: \fuat does atheism do to morality? How can you have morality
without God?
A: No matter whether people believe in God or not, they will do
what they vrant to. The Russian people don
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ity; they are naturally very moral, honest, faithful in marriage.
Q.: ;fhat is the sexual morality in comparison with the United States?
A: It is better in Russia than in the United States. Its foundation
there is the good of the state.
Q.: Hhat impressed you most about Russia? What did you like most?
A: The care that the state provides for everyone. If a man gets
sick, no matter what his status is, ho•,; poor he is) the state
Hill take care of him.
Q.: \·fhat impresses you most about the United States?
A: The material prosperity. In Russia it is very hard to buy even
a suit or a pair of shoes, and even when you can get them they
are very expensive.
Q.:
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better than stalin?
A: They like Khrushchev much better. He is a working man, a peas-
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ant. 1m example or the kind of things he does: Once at a party
broadcast over the radio, he had had a little too much to drink
and he began to swear over the radio. That•s the kind of thing
he does4
Q.: ':/hat about religion amone; the young people in Russia?
A: Relie;ion is dead among the youth of Russia.
Q.: \-Thy did you return to the United States? (The question was :1-ot
asked in exactly this way, but this is its content.)
A: Hhen he savr that Russia vras lacking, he Hanted to come back to
the United States, ·Hhich is so much better off materially.
(He still held the ideals of the Soviets, was still a J1arxist,
but did not like the widespread lack of material goods that
the Russians had to endure.)
11ore points that Here contained in the main part of the talk:
He lived in Russia from 1959 to 1962. He only implied that
the practice in Russia differed from the theory, never stated it
directly. The policy of Russia '\>lBs important:
l) After death of stalin, a peace reaction.
2) Then an anti-Stalin reaction.
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A peace movement, leading up to the Paria conference.
The U-2 incident and its aftermath.
At the factory, he had trouble at first meeting the men. They did
not accept him at first. He joined a hunting club. He belon!Jed to
two or three discussion groups. He praised the Soviets for rebuild-
ing so much and for concentrating on heavy industry. He said at
one point that if the Negroes in the United States knew that it ;ras
so good in Russia, they
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ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KU:NNEDY, HOVEMBER 'l'WENTY-
TWO, S I XTYTHREE, DALLAS , TEXAS .
RE NEW ORLEANS TELETYPE TO BUREAU AND DALLAS, TWELVE 'l'WENTY
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SIX Al!If NOVEMBER TWENTYFOUR, SIXTYTHREE _
BILL JONES, WWL TV, NEWSMAN, ON SEVEN TWENTYTHREE PM, CENTRAL
STANDARD TIME, NOVEMBER TWENTY'l'HREE, SIX'l'YTHREE, ADVISED WWL TV
HAD TAKEN A SIXTEEN MILLIMETER FILM OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD ON
AUGUST SIXTEEN, SIXTYTHREE, IN FRONT OF THE INTERNATIONAL 'l'RADE
MART IN NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA, PASSING OUT LEA:FLETS CAPTIONED
QUOTE HANDS OFF CUBA UNQUOTE. IN INSTANT FILM THEY HAD A PHOTO-
GRAPH OF AN UNKNOWN WHITE MALE ALSO PASSING OUT LEAFLETS WHO
THEY HAD BEEN UNABLE TO IDENTIFY OR LOCATE. JONES ADVISED HE
WOULD .MAKE A COPY OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AVAILABLE TO 'l'HE FBI IN
NEW ORLEANS ON THE NIGHT OF NOVEMBER TWENTYTHREE, SIXTYTHREE _
PHOTOGRAPHS WERE OBTAINED FROM STATION WWL TV.
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CHARLES ,HALL STEELE, JR., BORN NOVEMBER FIVE, FOR'l'YTHREE,
AT NEW ORLEANS, LA., APPEARED AT NEW ORLEANS OFJ!'ICE, NOVEMBER
TWENTYFOUR, IN COMPANY OF HIS FATHEH, WHO IS A CIVIL DEPUJ Y
SHERIFF IN NEW ORLEANS, Mi\.JOH IN THIRTYNIHTH DIVISION, LOUISIANA
NATIONAL GUARD, AND A CANDIDATE FOR CENTML DEMOCRATIC COJ;!MITTEE
IN FORTHCOMING LOUISIANA ELECTION.
STEELE, JR. STATED ON FRIDAY, AUGUST SIXTEEN, SiyYTHREE,
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HE WENT TO LOUIS lANA EMPLOYMENT SERVICE t A STATE AGENCY, /WITH
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WORK IN DISTRIBUTING LEAFLETS. STEFL E STATED HE AGREED AND MET
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DISTRIBUTE. STEELE, JR. STfl.TED HE DID NOT LOOK AT THE LEAJTLETS
BUT BEGAN HANDING THEM OUT TO PASSERSBY AND WHEN BE IMD DJ.STRI-
BUTED ALL OF THE LEAFLETS HE RETURNED '1'0 OSWALD WHO Wfl.S AL30
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PASSING OUT LEAFLETS AND OSWALD GAVE JoKiil A FEW MORE TO  
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WAS SOME WORDING TO THE EFFECT QUOTE HANDS OFF CUBA UNQUOTE.
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PERSON DESCRIBED AS WHITE MALE, NINETEEN TD TWENTY YEARS OF AGE,
ABOUT SIX FEET, SLENDER BUILD, DARK HAIR, OLIVE COMPLEXION.
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HIRED IN THE SAME MANNER AS STEELE. STATED HE COULD NOT
IDENTIFY THIS INDIVIDUAL SHOULD HE SEE HIM AGAIN.
STEELE STATED HE HAS HAD NO PRIOR CONTACT WITH OSWALD NOR
ANY SUBSEQUENT CONTACT WITH HIM AND KNOWS NOTHING FURTHER CON-
CERNING HIM. STEELE, JR. IDENTIFIED PHOTOGRAPH OF LEE HARVEY
OSWALD AS PERSON FOR WHOM HE DISTRIBurED LEAFLETS.
INDICES CONCERNING STEELE, ,JR., HIS FATHER, AND HIS GIRL
FRIEND, CHARLINE STOUFF, NEGATIVE.
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PHONICALLY CONTACTED THE NEW ORLY;ANS OFFICE ANb ADVISED THAT
CHARLES HALL STEELE, SR. AND CHAitLES lll\ LL STEELE, JR. HJ, D COME
TO THE TV STATION AND ADVISED THEY HAD BEEN TO THE FBI UFFICF.
IN NEW ORLEANS AND HAD FURNISHED THEM THE COMPLETE FACTS CONCERN-
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ME.NtO l.t.:·\NDUM FOR: I [ l· f ..... . ·' ·;· . . J ( ..
SUBJECT The Assassination of President Kennedy
and Allegations re Mexico City
1. An FBI report of 18 1967, subject: Assassination of
President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, November 22, 1963, Dallas,
Texas, states that on 18 July .1967 onaj o.£
Kalamazoo, Michigan, telephoned the FBJI s Detroit office. ·.'
and unidentified associates are apparently assassination buffs who
consider the Warren Report a white•Nash, believe they have identified
a gra.ssy knoll gunman from or .. e frame of the Zapruder film, etc.
But · made one statement which should nevertheless be
checked against your records and/ or those of the Station. He claimed
that his group kr .. ows that
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Lee Harvey Oswald met in Mexico Cit)r, Mexico, a member of the
Central Intelligence Agency whose alias was Bill MEDINA and whose
true name is unknown. It is requested that a check be made to deter-
mine whether, in September- October 1963, any agency staff or agent
employee used this alias.
2 . A report from the New Orleans office o_f the FBI, 20 July 1967.
subject as above, includes a statement by Carlos BRINGUIER, a Cuban
living in New Orleans who has been questioned by District Attorney
James Garrison and his staff. BRINGUIER told the Bureau that on or
about 1 July 1967 he received a telephone cail
Departn1ent, WVUE Television, New Orle ans. that he "had
receive d information that it is possible that Garrison will try to connect
an ex-Nazi, name not :r;ecalled by Bringuier, with the assassination of .
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Be Mew Orleans teletrpes to Bureau, 3/3/87,
aeot 3:33PM, CST, and 3/4/67, aent 7:S8 AM, CST, and ·.
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SAM DEPINO, .Channel 12, -l''
telephonicallJ contacted the office of the FBI on 3/6/67
and advised that be believed one·WILLIAM CUTHBERT BRADY,
who ls an acquAintance of CLAY SBAW,•l,ht be subpoenaed.
DEPINO stated that be bad BRADY'• naae ln bls notes but
did not bave anr definite Information that BRADY would,·
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aa associate of CLAY SHAW that be •i&ht be subpoenaed.
rnmJfDEPINO advised be IOlDg to write a
book on a fictional homosexual Ar•J captain who enga&ed lD
esplona&e and sold secrets to Cuba. Be pointed out that
this book did not have anythine to do with the assassination
of ·thc President but in wlew of the current Interest tD
homosexualtt, b7 tbe District AttorneJ ln Orleans Parish,
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li-25-63 furnished t h e following in.formntion:
As a ra t of seeing n photogrnph of in the Rewa-
paper and talevision he recalls an individual coming t.o
the Modern Language School in it s new location cme laat week
1n July or the first week in August. This was certainly before
Modern School officiDlly moved and was prior to the
conU;ct t :1 C;\1\LCX; Dhlt<Glf.R by . • Painting and similar
work was done on the new quarters at that time.
The individual to be came to the head
of t.hc and askad questions for a very short tiae concerning
coursec offered. how long they took, how much they coat. He noted
infor nnt' s ll accent and n.aked if he l-ms Cuban. Inforr::ant told
hir.l tlv!t he had been in this COWltry twenty years.  
nsked if there were nflny Cubans in Hew Orle:uus and said that he
was intcrt;sted in Cubans in New Orleans. Nothing further is
recalled regardinr "Lhe cQnversation and this is the only pos:sibl::
CUHt.c., et -,.,it.h     • • J: LiJ . was alone at tho time.
Informant does not know of any IBir Play for Cuba
Cormnitteo in but. recalled that in the Fall of 1962
nnmed HU\K:-: spoka at Tulane. After be spoke
an individual nnmcd ALln:iU
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belc!f of Cuba. lla was not there but that a Mrs. CRAGER
ha<i the d.e t. nils r egnr dinc this.
(See 105-1880) ALDERMAI vas thee doing __
grudun t e \>tork in f-'hilosphy At Tu.l.sne. He bad with-
FPCC in resided at 6324 DeLord in New OrloRns at tbe
t.ime •
Snforman t ftrther advised tbnt at one or the :; ew
Orl (!.·!ns Council for Peacel\U. Alterna'tiYea meetings he attended
he Has told by Mrs. ROSALYN V JiTHAii 2210 RashYille AYe that she
could arrange for to go to a meeting ef the FPCC if
he so desired so he could find out the truth about Cuba.
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ll/25/63
At approximat e ly 10:45 FM, ll/24/63, an indi-
vidual who identified himself as GILLEN, As sistant
District Attorney, Juvenile Division, Orl e ans Parish, tele-
phone TW 9-3507, called me at my res idence . GILLEN stated
that in June or July an individual ca lled at the Distr ict
Attorney's Office stating he wanted t o see the Dist1· ict
Attorney about a problem. The indi· ·i dual waE in· some
manner unknown to GILLEN referred to GE,J.EN' s of:f ice . He
stated that when this individual i n t o hj.s oJ fice he
remained standing and talked to GIV .• ::m f :::om a cross the
desk. GILLEN stated he asked the to sit down but
the individual remained s tanding .
GILLEN said t he visitor a dvis ed he wns r ua d ing
a book, but did not exhj_bit a and continne d thn t
according to the author o f the book in ques tior. one reading
the book should take a certain t ype of drug to fu lly appre -
ciate the comments and d:1ta in the book. Th e r-ex·son
visiting GILLEN's office desire d t o lt: now i :f th13 drug in
question was legal. GILLEN s tated the vis itor did no t have
the book in question wit h him but he does r e ca l l that thi s
individual had some kind of a paper ba c k buit: w!lich GILLEN
describes as about the size of a "Laurel Revie ,..t " publication.
GILLEN recalls the individual indicated the book h e had wi t h
him had to do with social-e conomic matters and at some point
dur ing the conversation the visitor finall y sat down . GILLEN
believes, but cannot b e c ertnin that the book referring to
a drug was possibly writt e n by an individual n amed HUCKLEY.
GILLEN also believed he s aw an item in the New Orlenns
paper on page l indicat i ng that s ome author by the name of
HUCKLEY had recently di e d in Los Ange les a nd that this
article indicated BUCKLEY had writt0n a book abo ut the
effective use of drugs . GILLEN states he t o ld his vis itor
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that he could not he ' ce'rtain O\l.t 1:ould only assume tlJat
any drug .t .hat . would produce the visitor i ndi-
cated the book described would b0 some k ind of a narcotic
and referred the visitor to the o ·r.f lee of t he City ChGmi st .
GILLEN said the visitor :took down the name, addresr-> and l'oom
number o:f t he. ·c .fty. Chemist but GILLEN did not know if this
party actually called at t'he oFfice of the City Chemist .
GILLEN states he his v i s ito! ·   LEE
HAHVEY OSWALD but he cannot j.G .m t ify newspaper p:1<:
of OSWALD as the person ment j.onec..l abo,· e . GI LLEN c xp1ain0 <1
th:\t his eyesight i s not good c v0n the-u gh he wea: ·s  
claims that his voice r ecept ion i::> above aver age he
fe8 lS suTe that the voice of the above v i s itor voi ( 0
of LEE IIAEV;<;Y OSWALD, bas inr; statcmeDt on tll'J ::: oHnc.l
of OSWALD's voice , which on a radj_o or
program in which OSWALD was i nto:1·viewod by BILL :JTUCK·W.
GILLEN s tated he be lieves EDWAl1D S. was l ::w on thJ. s
proeram.
, stated that i n rie w of what l'las happened
i n 'Dallas, namely the shootinr; c .( 1. police
assassination of the Preside nt f!.nd t ' te s ubsequent d0r th of
OSWALD that he feels it is possiblB i:hat OSWALD 11i UY havo
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Name Joseoh Newbrough Date 9-2$-78 Time lOAM
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Mr. Newbrough called investigator Robert Buras and stated
that he heard that the committee had mentioned something about
H.L. Hunt in its public hearings. He remembered that a man
that had been in Federal Civil Service in New Orleans had been
in Guy Banister's Office on many occassions. This man, whose
name he couldn't remember was employed by or connected in some
way to Mr. Hunt. The man was middle aged, lean, receding hair
line, spoke with a Texas accent and alsways dressed well. He
had a office in or worked with some one in the Piere Marguette
Butlding on Baronne St. He told Mr. Newbrough that he worked•for\
· the Hughes Tool Co. but Newbrough could never reach him at
comoany. Guy Banister told Newbrough that the man worked
Hunt. He once gave Banister some money to bring to Gov. John -
McKeithen or Shelby Jackson in Baton Rouge for their
The amount was not more than a thousand dollars or so and it was
somehow marked as going to an investigation into some such com-
pany as the Yinrod Drilling Co. No investigation ever took place
but this was' a means to funnel money into State Officials without
anyone knowing about it. The man was not criminal or even bad
intentioned, t :1is was -iust the way some money was put into campaigns.
This man aaed to sit around in the mornings with a few
regulars in Holsumfs Caferteria and havv coffee. He knew the
owner, Frank Manning who was Chief investigator for the Attorney
General of the State. Others that were regular customers at these
discussions were Robert "Bob" Guzman a small contractor and one
time house detective at the Holiday Inn located in the 100 blk
of Royal St. Guzman had a girlfriend that was night clerk at
Waterbury1s Drugstore located at 536 Canal St. Mr. Newbrough only
remembered her as being called "Miss Liberty Bell".
Mr. Newbrough stated that he would recognize a photo of this
man if the Committee might .want him identified and interviewed
about H.L. Hunt connections in New Orleans and Banister's Office.
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My name is Alan Marein etc. Gpt some files on you.
Did oswald ever approach you for ajob?
Gee, that's along time ago, I dont remember too much
about it. Seems to me the guy came by onee.
You used to represent CRC in publicity?
Yeah, we handled the fund drive for them.
Did you know Howard Hunt back then?
No. To me it was just another money job.
So you never ran into him?
No.
or Frank Sturgis or any of them other Watergate guys.
No. I was just a speck on the wall
I found letter from FARB.
He was the titular head of the Cuban colony in New Orleans
at that time and we came aw,y with a percentage (inintell}
Reads from FARB doc ends w/riff on Garrison
I was sittin in my i office one day and in walks one of Jim
Garrison:s boys and they asked me if I had known Smith, i
said yeah a I was in the whole Cuban thing and he tried to
work an account with him on a percentage deal. I said the
account wasn't making nigger shit and dropped it. They asked
me if I had a picture of him which I did and they seemed
real excited and that was the last I ever heard of them.
Do you remember what happened when Oswad came to see you.
No man, I'm not even sure it was Oswald. And that the truth.
I told them that. at that time there were somany guys comin in
lokking for jobs as a matter of fact the guy I rememehar, didnt
even come to see me, he came to see my former   They
were comin in at that time about two or theee a week. Truthfully,
i sat down with everyone in the office and tried to remember if
we had seen Oswald or not and we really weren't sure. I had to
question some guy by the name of Oswald who applied for a job
You still in the PR business
Retired, two strokes, laid up half blind
Christ. You sure you dent know Hunt from the CRC
He was on BHXX national level, no I dint. Let me k t e llyou
how I got into this. came to me and I ehecked as
best I could like the FBI check that you read to me all
Im in favor of anticmmmunist causes and I checked the FBI
and other sources and they all said he was ai alright. Then
i was in a room with a bunch of Va Cuban leaders and I
realized they were more HX interested in who was going to be
the king when they got back then in ER overthrowing Castro.
And I went ahead and carried out what obligations I had and got
the hell out of it.Then one day Im sittin in the office and in
comes and says that hes been kicked out too. The last
time I saw him was when he came in and tried to sell me some
Latin American accounts. PR accounts. And he introduced me to
some dude named Nestor Marcos Diaz. He siaaxk said he had
business in Mexico.
I'll tell ya, I feel like a dinosaur. I was raised in the
BKH news-business I got my lumps in the Huey Long days,
got my head beat in •• I was to appear aas a government witness
in (unitell) inv state of louisina. Ran paper called the OWL
wiped out by hmrticane lost 125 Gs Paul Harvey and I needled
needled the red cross a nd h a d the s alvation made a •k
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Cross.
AJ Did you know Bannister?
Caire Banniseer was a kxx hot-pistoled cop.
(taak to ED COCKE- had been contacted by committee. Got a hole of Gaudet
too. He and I are good friends. I think he was Nelson Rockefellerl
numeber one spook for awhile. Wke
I never attended meetings8£xxkex when ever they had a meeting or something
I avoided going whether it was about Freesing Cuba or what. I didnt like
meetings ane I was interested in making a EEH buck.
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Why did CIA thru CRC appoach you?
Because I · had such xmm good local politcal connections. I
was known as an expert in political affairs. Got em blue
chip names. Just another money raising job. I raised it for
Dems & Repubs and States rights.
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, let. to New Orleans dated 11/2/62, captioned, · • --. · ·
''RONNY \CAIRE ADVERTISING AGENCY, INC.; RffiiSTRATION ACT - · ... -
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registration &tatement filed by the Ronny Caire Advertising ..
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Oswald was. She said she was <'Oiling i\liss Bloomfield, who is her-the fiel<i
supervisor , and they sai!l that-1\Irs. Ruscull said that she's pretty certain thnt
this is the person that we had 111et and helped to re turn to Texas, and it was
that-I think it was that telephone convel'Sation that was responsible for bel'
having the case record IJUlled the l'ei'Y next morning by our centrnl office. Miss
Bloom1lekl works out of central office, and she--the case was no longer thet·e,
and s he gnYe It to the connuls.-iuuer, as I t·emember it, and. of course, then I
read it in tbe newspaper that the commissioner had given tbfs record to t11e
FBI.
Now, beyond that, I reallr-I wish I could be more helpful. but I am sorry
to say that this is all I know about the case.
Mr. LrEBELER. You have been ,-ery helpful, .1\lt·. Isaacs. On behalf of the
Commission I want to thank you ,·ery much for coming in this afternoon nucl
giving us the testimony a nd produ(•ing the records that you have. It is another
example or the way in which the City of New York hns coopernted with the
Commission and with the FBI In its work. We appreciatl;! it very much.
Mr. I sAAcs. W'e are only t oo ha ppy to help.
TESTIMONY OF PAULINE VIRGINIA BATES
The testimony of Pauline Virginia Bates wo.s taken at 5:32 p.m., on Mar ch 25,
1964, In the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and
Streets, Do.Uas, Tex., by Mr. Albet't E. J enner, J r., assistant counsel of the
President's Commission.
Mr.   Mrs. Bates, will you stand and be swor n, please?
Do you solemnly swear In your testimony which you are about to giYe, to tell
the tr uth, the whole truth and not hing but the truth, so help you God?
Mrs. BATES. I do.
Mr. JENNER. It's Mrs. Bates, Is it not?
Mrs. BATEs. It's Miss. I'm not married. It's optional-! have been. My
name is Pauline.
Mr. JENNER. Pauline Virginia-isn't it?
1\frs. BATES. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. This is Pauline Virginia Bates.
Mrs. BaTES. I lllu Albert E . . Tenner, Jr. I nm a member of the legal staff
tor the Presidential Ass11ssinntion   and haYe been authorized by the
Commission to depose .rou-tnke your ·clepol:litlon, make Inquiries of you with
respect to the subje<-t matter of the Inquiry or t he Commission.
Did you recei-ve, oh, last wee!c, I would think, a letter trom J. Lee Rnnkln,
general counsel for the Commission?
Mrs. BATES. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And enclosed with that letter is a copy of the Executive order
ot Pres ldeut Lyndon B. J ohnson on XoYe1uber 20, 1U03, Xumber 11130, and a
copy uf the Senate Joint Resolution, Xuu1ber 137, nuth<H·izing the cr eation of the
Commission, together with a copy or the Rules ot Procedure ot the Cowmlssion?
Ml'S. BaTES. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And, Mrs. Bates, you appear at our request?
Mrs. B-ATES. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. The Commission, ns you have noted from those enclosed papers,
has been ordered, directed to inquh·e into nil tucts and circumstances sur-
r ounding, lending up to, nnd t hose appearing utter tbe assassination of J ohn
F. Kennedy, the President ot tbe United States, and any contacts on your part
wi th any ot the parties.
We understand that you, during his lifetime, bnd some contact with Lee
Hun-ey Ol:lwnld and I think, In fact, t ranscribed some manusct·ipt notes ot bi><?
Mrs. B-ATES. Tbey weren't transcribed; they were copied.
Mr. JENNER. Yoo copied them?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-hub.
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n o re urn to Texas, and it wns
e conversation that wns responsibl f h
·et·y next · e or er
'm · mor·n wg by our cen trn 1 offit>e. Miss
ce, and sbe--the <'ase wns no lon"er tber
as .I l'E' tllE'Illber It, nnd. of   then ei
- comnussloner bad given this record to the
·ish 1 could be h
1
b
more e Pfnl, bat l am sorrv
e cuse. "
heipful, 1\Ir. l snncs. On behnlt ot the
·.E'ry much t or corning in this nfter·noon and
rng the r ecords that you hn,·e It I h
City ot N' y · s nnot er
' ew ork has cooperntecl with the
8
work. We nppreclnte it ver y much
>y to help. ·
lUL1NE VIRGINIA BATES
.Bates wns taken nt 5 :32p.m., on March 25
t Post Office. Bulld.ing, Bryan and Er m;
. J enner, J t., nssxstant counsel of the

nnd be sworn, please?
timony which you are nbout to give to tell
g but the tr uth, so help you God
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tarried.
It's optlonn!-I h
a ve been. My
it ?
1 Bates.
r, .. I am a member of the legal s tatr
nnd have been authorize<! by the
- dE-position, make Inquiries or you With
tqulry oC the Commission.
ould think, n letter from J . Lee Rankin
.
: letter is a copy of the Executive order
o>eml>E' r 29, 1003, Xumbcr 11130 and a
uubE'r 13i, nnthot•izing the of the
e Rules of Pt·ocedure ot the Commission?
:!Rr at onr request?
noted from those enclosed papers,
J?to all facts and circumstances sur-
•enrlng after the assassination ot J ohn
1 States, and any contacts on your part
' lifetime, bud some contact with Lee
nscribed some manuscript notes ot his?
they were copied.
·.•
Mr. J ENNEH. \\"ell , I meont trama·ribt><l in that !<t'U:<t•. Yon them
trom longhand in to tYPing?
Mrs. BaTES. Well , some ot them were typewritten, some of them were " ·rit-
ten In longhand pencil, some or it was written in pen.
l\lr. JENNER. Oh, Is that so. .
Mrs. BATES. It was scraps of pnper. Some oC it was on j ust IU;:e bag paper.
Sowe of it was just lit tle scraps of paper-whatever he coulrl find.
Mr. JENNER. Where do you reside now?
Mrs. BATES. In Fort Wor th .
Mr. JENNER. And bow long bnve you resided In For t Worth?
Mrs. BATEs. Ten years last November.
Mr. JENNE&. What is yonr business, occupation, or profession?
Mrs. BATES. I ' m a legal public stenograpbet·.
Mr . J ENNER. And how long have you been a legal public stenographer?
i\Irs. BATEs. I n Fort Worth, 10 years- a little OYer 10 yellrs.
Mr. J ENNER . .And Is there a difference between being n legal public stenog-
rapher and n public stenographer?
Mrs. BATES. Well, I think so. I think I'm the only one In Fort Wor th t hat
has legal training.
Mr. J ENNER. That's what I wish to bring out. You are n public s tenogrnpher
and you seelt to direct your tal ents primarily toward law work?
Mrs. BATES. Yes.
Mr. J ENNER. Lawyers, court reporting, nnd that sort ot t hing?
Mrs. BaTEs. Uh-huh- well , I haven' t done any court reporting. I have done
work for court reporters-transcribe for them, and things like that .
Mr. JENNER. Are you a cit izen of the United 'States?
Mrs. BATES. Yes, s ir.
Mr. JENNEtt. You are a nnti'l"e born American?
Mrs. BATES. Yes, sir- Forest Grove, Oreg.
Mr. J ENNER. How long ha \'e you resided In the Fort Worth-Dallas area?
Mrs. BATES. Ten years last November.
Mr. J ENNER. And you came from wher e?
l\Irs. BATES. Oakland, Calif.
Mr. JENNEn . .And what was your business or occupation when you were In
On.kland, Calif.?
Mrs. BATES. Legal stenographer- legal secretary.
Mr. J ENNER. That has alwars been your-insofar as you have bad a ousiness
or occupation-it's been· that?
i\-Irs. BATES. Except during the war when I worked In the shipyards.
Mr . J ENNER. Out on the coast?
Mrs. BATES. Richmond. I have a lso been n waitress.
Mr. J ENNER. Mrs. Bates, if anything seems personal to you, it's not Intended
as being personnl. I'm trying to set t he backgrouncl. And you are at liberty at
any time to say to me that you think maybe I ' m going too far.
Mrs. BATES. I clon' t have anything to bide.
Mr. JENNEn. All right. I 'm s nre you don't.
During the time yon lh·cd in the Fort Worth-Dallas a rea, did y1111 hn,·e
to come In contact with a person known as Lee Harvey Oswald?
i\frs. BATES. He was known to me as Lee Oswald.
Mr. J E:-rNER. All right. With a, person known as Lee Oswald? And, jus t so
we unders tand each other, is the person you knew us Lee Oswnld and the per-
son I just called Lee Harvey Oswald the person that you tmderstnncl t o be thE'
man who was accused of the assassination of President Kennedy?
Mr. BATES. Yes. He was one and the same person. I recognized him.
Mr. JENNER. Yes. Now, t ell me the circumstances under which that acquaint-
anceship arose.
Mrs. BATES. He walked Into my office one day, said be bad gotten my name
out of the telephone directory. It so happens It's t he firs t one In t he public
stenographers.
Mr. J ENNER. And how was be attired on that occasion?
Mrs. BATES. He bad dnrk trousers on, a white T-shlrt and a blazer -type
jacket-a dnrk blazer -type jacket.
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Mr. JENNER. And since he had the T-shirt, be hnd no tie'on?
Mrs. BATES. No; didn't have a shirt on.
Mr. JENNER. No shirt?
Mrs. BATES. Just a little white T-shlrt-undershirt.
·ll1r. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. BATES. It was in June.
hfr. JENNER. In June? Wbat time of the day or night was it?
Mrs. BATES. It "' as in the morning. Let's see--! turned those records over to
the FBI.
Mr. JENNER. Well, give me your best recollection.
Mrs. BATES. I think it was around 10 or 11 o'cl ock in the morning, on the 18th
of June 1962.
Mr. JENNER. All r ight. What was said by him and by you?
Mrs. BATEs. He asked if I could do some tsping for him.
111r. JENNER. Did be identity himself first?
Mrs. BATES. No. He just walked in. It's not uncommon for people to walk
in nnd say, "Mi ss Bates, can you do some typing for me!" And I said, "Yes,
I could, what was it?" And be said It "' as-that he was-then, he told me he
was Lee Oswald. He said, "First, I want to find out what your prices are and
see if I can afford it." So, I gave him my price.
Mr. JENNER. And what did you say?
Mrs. BATES. I said it was either 2¥.! an hour or a dollar a page.
Mr. JENNER. A page being 8¥.! by 11- letter-size sheets?
Mrs. BATES. Yes; ub·huh. And I told him lt nll depended on what the work
was and could I see what it was. And be said, "Yes." And he brought out
this lnrge manilla envelope, legal size-ob, I think it was 10 by 14 or something-
one of those large ones. And he said, "I have some notes bere"--
1\Ir. JENNER. I a folder here [showing to witness]-is that--
Mrs. BATES. No; it's one of those tbnt folds over from the top.
Mr. JENNER. I appreciate that-but I 'm holding this up only for size.
lllrs. BATES. Oh! Well, It's that long, bnt it was a little wider.
1\Ir. JENNER. The length of this, I think [measuring with ruler)-it's 15 inches.
Mrs. BATEs. Well, I have some up at my office. I use them all the time to,
you know, send abstracts out ln.
Mr. That's 15 by 9.
Mrs. BATES. Well, I am sure, _as I r emember it-of course, now, this was some
time ago-it was approl:lmately 10 by 14 or 10 by 15-and it looks like what I
use.
l\1r. JENNER. And it had a flop on it?
1\frs. BATES. Ub-huh. Just a regular seal at the top. I think they are Car·
rollton Clasp or something like that.
He said that he bad notes that be had smuggled out of Russia. And I looked
up at him klnda surprised. I said, "Have you been to Russia?"
He said, "Yes, ma'am. I just got back." And that be had smuggled these
notes out of Russia under his clothes, next to his skin.
Mr. JENNER. We fixed the time of this inquiry-didn't we?
Mrs. BATEs. Yes; J une 18. I mean, when he first came in my office.
Mr. JENNER.
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh.
And that be wanted to have them typed by n professional typist He said,
"Some of t hem are typed on a little portnble, some of 'em ar e handwritten in
ink, some of 'em in pencil."
He said, " I ' ll have to sit right here with yon and help you with 'em because
some of 'em are in Russian and some of them are in English." So, we agreed
tha t I would do it-but I hadn't seen them yet.
Mr. JENNER. You hadn't seen the notes yet?
Mrs. BATES. Huh-uh.
Mr. JENNER. Did he n package under his arm on that occasion?
Mrs. BATEs. Yes. He bad it with him.
Mr. JENNER. "What agreement-you mean that you ngre('d that would
do it? Had you reached a conclusion as to the rate?
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Mrs. BATES. ·wen, I imme<llately Io'
get on it.
Mr. JENNER. Wby did you become an·
Mrs. BATES. Well, anybody that ha
notes, I would like to hnve seen the
looked like a high school kid to me wh•
a kid.
M:r. J ENNER. Uh-huh.
M:rs. BATES. And I do a lot of thesis
And then I started a sb."ing him
Russia ?"-and a few things like that.
em be \\•ouldn't.
1\Ir. JENNER. Now, give me your b
said on tbat occasion.
Mrs. BATES. Well , I 'm trying to get it
1\It'. JENNER.. Okay.
Mrs. BATES. We agreed that I woul•
nn original and one carbon. But be
original and one car bon and also take tb
Mr. JENNER. He didn't want to leave-
Mrs. BATES. I couldn't keep a copy oJ
Mr. JENNER. Did you agree that yo·
stances?
Mrs. BATES. That's what be wanted-
1\:[r. J ENNER. Uh-buh.
1\Irs. BATES. Then, I asked him bow
can't be very How did you nr rang
And he said he had just gotten-he
bad taken elementary Russian-a course
Mr. JENNER. Where?
1\!rs. BATES. While he was in the ll
wasn't yery tnlkatiYe. And whenever l
of binl. He didn't t..'llk voluntarily.
Mr. JENNER. Ub-bub.
Mrs. BATEs. And that he had  
Department for a Ylsa. And I asked
be went over as un exchange student.
ignot'llnt about things like that.
He said, "No' '-that the Depn
but they would not be responsible for
there but the State Department re!m
in trouble or anything.
So, he went. And that's all I got out
And then we got busy and he open1
the notes. And, as I said, they were c
of them [indicating "l''ith finger], and
ot them wer e typed, some of them hni
thnt he bad had t o just do it when
conditions and the working condition
against Russia.
Mr. JENNER. His writings were bittcJ
M:rs. BATES. And conditions.
M.r. JENNER. Did he say when he bo.d
Mr s. BATES. Just be could
}.{r. JENNER. When in Russin?
Mrs. B.t.TES. 'Yeah. Oh, they were n
out of Russia. And be said that the
·they were scared to death they wonlc
· be allowed to leave Russin.
Mr .• JENNER. Did be imply that M!
Mrs. BATES. He didn't say. He ju:
a days he was up there. And, at the til
d the T-shirt, he had no tie on?
a shi rt on.
:e T-shirt-nndershirt.
time of the do.y or night was it?
rning. Let' s see-I turned those records over to
ur bes t r ecollection.
mnd 10 or 11 o'clock in the morning, on the 18th
was so.fd by him and by you?
Ld do some typing for him.
imself fi rst?
ked in. It's not uncommon for people to waik
u do some t yping f or me?" And I said " Yes
said it was-that he was-then, be told ,me
;t, I want to find out your prices are and
bim my price.
s ay?
r 2¥:: an hour or a dollar a page.
•Y 11-letter-size s heets?
I I told bJru it all depended on what the work
And be said, " Yes." And he brought out
aze-ob, I think It was 10 by 14 or something-
said, •· r have some notes her e"--
·e [showing to wttness]-is that--
e that folds over from the t op.
-bnt I'm holding thls up only t or size.
lro.ximately thn t long, but It was a little wider.
I think ( measuring with ruler]- it's 15 inches.
up at my office. I use them all the time to,
I remember it-of course, now, this was some
J by 14 or 10 by 15-and it looks like what I
. it?
::"tllar seal at the top. I think t hey are Car-
t.
had smuggled out of Russia. And I looked
"Have you been to Russia?"
1t back." And that be had smuggled these
' · next to his skin.
this inqulry--<Ildn't we?
:n. when he first came in my office.
u typed by a professional typist. He said,
'!" portable, some of 'em are handwritten in
·e With you and help you with because
1e of them a re in Englis h." So, we agreed
:hem yet.
tes yet ?
undl"r his arm on that occasion?
im.
u mean that you agref'd that would
ts to the rate?
Mrs. BATES. Well, I immediately lowered it to $2 an hour. I was azu:ious to
get on 1t.
Mr. J ENNER. Why did you become anxious to get on it ?
Mrs. BATES. Well, anybody that had just come back from Russ ia and bad
notes, I would like to have seen them. And he didn' t look like be bad- he
looked like a high school kid to me when first came in. I thought he was just
a kid.
JENNER. Ub-huh.
:Mrs. BATEs. And I do a lot of thesis work for college a nd high school students.
And t hen I started asking him some questions- "Why did you go to
Russin ?"- and a few things like that. Some of 'em he'd answer and some of
em be wouldn't.
Mr. J.ii: NNER. Now, give me your best recollection of ever ything that was
said on tha t occasion.
Mrs. BATES. Well, I'm trying to get it in sequence.
Mr. JENNER. Okay.
Mrs. BATES. We agreed that I would start tyPing the notes-and he wanted
an original and one carbon. But he would take the carbon-he wanted the
original and one carbon and a lso take the carbon wHh hlm.
Mr. J ENNER. He didn't want to lea >e--
1\Irs. BATES. I couldn't keep a copy of anything.
Mr. JENNER. Did you a.gree that you would do the job under those circum-
stances ?
Mrs. BATES. That's what be wanted-and my customer s are always right.
1\Ir. JENNER. Uh-huh.
Mrs. BATEs. Then, I asked him how come be had gone to Russia. I said, "It
can't be very easy. How did you a rrange It? Why did you want to go?"
ADd be said be had j ust gotten-he had gotten out of the Marine Corps and
bad taken elementary Russian-a course in elementary Russian.
Mr. J ENNER. Where?
Mrs. BAtES. While be was in the :Marine Corps, as I understood him. He
wasn't very talkati\·e. And wbenevet· I did get him to talk, I had to drag it out
of him. He didn't talk voluntarily.
Mr. J ENNER. Uh-huh.
Mrs. BaTES. And that he had wanted to travel and so be applied to the State
Department tor a visa. ADd I a sked him if be was an .exchange
be went o\·er as an exchange student. Soruetlmes-I dido t know. I wns kmda.
Ignorant about tbings like r.hat. ·
He s:tid, "No"-tbat tbe State Department flnnlly agreed to let him go over,
but tbey would not be responsible for h iw; be was gmnted a visa to go over
there but the State Department refused to stand behind him in case be got
in trouble or anything.
So he went . And that's all I got out of him, then, about that.
then we got l>usy and he opened this large package and he out
the notes. And, as I   they wet·e on scraps of paper e,·en tbts btg, some
of them [indicating with finger], and some of them large Pteces of paper,
of them were typed, some of them handwri tten in Ink and pencil. And he
thut be bad bad to j ust do it when he could. And i t was about the llvmg
conditions and the working condJtioos in Russia. And they were very bit t er
against Russia. . ..
Mr. His writings were bitter against workmg cond1 tlons?
Mrs. BATES. And living conditions. Yes.
1\lh. J ENNER. Did he say when he had prepared these notes?
Mrs. BATES. Just whenever be could.
Mr. J ENNER. When in Russia.?
Mrs. BATES. Yeah. Oh, t hey wer e all done In Russia. And smuggled them
out of Russia. And be said tha t the whole time until they got over the border,
·they were scared to death they would be found, and, fJ! course, t hey would not
· be allowed to leave Russia. ,
l\Ir . .TENNER. Did be imply that M:arin.a was awar e he bad
Mrs. B ATES. He dJdn't say. He just mentioned hls wtfe once or twtce m the
3 days he was up there. And, at the time--
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Mr. J ENNER. Wer e these 3 s uccessive days?
M.rs. BATES. Uh·huh; 18th, 19th, and 20th.
Mr. JENNER. Did he spend substantially all day with you?
Mrs. BATES. No; It was 8 hours altogether in the 3 days.
Mr. JENNER. That was 8 hours that you worl;ed, or 8 hours that he was there?
Mrs. BATES. I worked. And-uh-1 spent 8 hours typing 10   single-
spaced.
Mr. JENNER. Which would indicate to me, as a lawyer, that you were having
some trouble interpreting these notes? ·
Mrl'. BATES. Oh, he' d- he had to spell things out for rue and-uh-it was
partly in Russian. And he had t o transpose lt-1 mean, translate. It for me.
And-uh-it was-uh-very difllcult to read. A lot of it was scribbled. He
would scribble notes and, then, to r efresh his memory on it-he said he had to
do it surreptitiously [witness pronounced word phonetically su1·rcptiot1s1y],
he just had t o do it when Marina would COl"er for him while he was doing thls.
Mr. J ENl'i'ER. Marina would cover for him?
Mrs. BA'TES'. Uh-huh-muille the tone of the typewriter and everything so
people wouldn't know that he was-what he was doing.
Mr. JENNER. And Marina was aware, then, according t.o what he said to
you, that he was making these notes?
Mrs. BATES. Well, eridently-because he said she would cover or watch f or
him so that nobody would know that be was making them.
hlr. JENNE!l.. Uh-buh. .
Mrs. BATES. Kind of-try to steer anybody away while he wa s doing this-
because he could have got in trouble.
Mr. J ENNER. Uh-huh.
Mrs. BATES. He didn' t talk very m1tch. He-well, there wasn't much time
to talk When you' re typing and trying t o translate things like that. .And be was
>ery cool and--
Mr. J£NNEJt. Oool ? ·you mean reserved?
Mrs. BATES. Cold.
Mr. JENNER. Cold?
Mrs. BATES. Ye6.
Mr. JENNER. Very matter of fact?
Mrs. BATES. Yes ; and if be didn't want to answer a question-if you nsked
bim a question, no matter how simple it was, if he didn't want to answer it,
he' d just shut up.
Mr. JENNER. He'd just ignore you ?
hirs. BATES. Uh-hnh.
He said he was living with his brother out in .Arlington He,ights. Well, I
U>ed ln .ArlingtottHeights, and I recognized the area be lived in by the telephone
number. r said, "Well, where do you live, Lee? I have lived out in that part of
town."
He said, "Arlington Heights."
So-that's-that just closed the subject right there. He had nothing else to
say. In other words- "Just don't say mol:'('." .
And-uh- I didn't even know be had a mother . He never mentioned b1s
mother. He mentioned his brother ; be mentioned his wife-said she Uked it
over here very much, that sbe got very ill from the food hecnuse it was too rich.
Mr. J ENNER. He said that she bad become ill?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-hnh. That she got the stomach ache. or something, because
they hadn't had enough food in a long time.
.'· Mr. J ENNER. Your impression was that they--
llis. BATES. He hadn' t even been here a month, I don't think, when- -
Mr. J ENNER. Well, he arrived June 12-so, he was only-wh en be reached your
place, it was on the 18th. He had just been here 6 days.
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh.
It might help you to r ead tha t [refle,rring to articles in local Fort Worth po.pers
which witness brought with her].
Mr. JENNER. Well, I will in a moment.
I want t o get from you-what was his attitude toward Russia?
Mrs. BATES. Well, he never did talk much about it, as far as that goes. But
334
these notes, it was-nh-the terrible
conditions and-uh-he did say, "An:
big May Day celebrations, that's al
'l'a.cations." And he said, "These Ma
but you 're forced to go. It's not a t
or a tele'l'ision a nd you don't list.en
because all you hear is party pollt!cs
hn,•e coll'ee br eaks and you go to worl
.And the notes were Yery, ve,ry bith
tioned the word "Communist."
1\Ir. J ENNER. Either in his notes or
M:rs. BATES. He just said "the part;
Mr. JENNER. The Party? Those a
rather?
J\Irs. BATES. Uh-bub.
And be said you couldn't talk, you cc
alwnys n. par ty person around and be'c
Mr. JEl\"NER. Uh-huh.
Mrs. BATES. He didn't talk >ery WI
lllld the notes-to r ead t hem.
Mr. Jr:NNER. Did ·he say anything t
come a citizen of Russia?
Mrs. BATES. Didn't know anything
be "·as Yery bitter about-be went OY
be married Marina. At the end of tb
wouldn't Jet llim bring her back. Tl
her to you."
"Well, of course," he said, " I knew I'd
So, be stayed 11 months longer unti
cain until they finally let bim.
Mr. JENNER. Raised cain with whom
Mrs. BATES. The Russians.
Mr. JENNER. Uh-buh.
i\lrs. B.ATES. He woulrln't lE'aYE.'--his
they let her go.
Mr. JENNER. Uh-huh.
Did he express orally to you \'IE'
of the United States?
Mrs. BATES. 1\e'l'er.
Mr. JENNER. Did you gather nuythil
United States?
Mrs. BATES. No; I'Ye t hought and
questions all a long. And be didn't dl
of bl.m at a time, you goo<
those notes aud, a t times, be \YOuld g•
bad actual conversations that he had
Mr. JENNER. Oh, he had?
Mrs. BATES. If you could find thost
to read. "Inside Russia''-was wlla
they were well written. And be bad t
just haphazard. He had them all in
things like that .
Mr. JENNER. How was his spell ing?
Mrs. BATES. Well, tbe English was f
Mr . JENNEn. The spelling?
Mrs. BATES. Yeah.
Mr. JENNER. Be was an accurate sr.
Mrs. BATES. Fair.
Mr. JENNER. He bad misspelled wol
Mrs. BATEs. Oh, yeah. Mostly, I'c
spelled or just that he got in a bur
fe\v men that are good spellers. I sb
cessiV'I.', dnys?
b, and 20th.
stantiaUy all day with you?
; altogetller In the 3 days.
thnt you worked, or S hours that he was there?
-ub-I spent B hours typing 10 pagt!S, single·
icate to me, ns a lawyer, that yon were bnving
1otes?
to spell things out for me and-nh-it was
to transpose it-1 mean, translate It :for me.
cult to read. A lot of it was scribbled. He
o refresh his memory on it- he said he bad to
;>ronounced word phonetically &urreptio11Sly],
l would cover for him while he was doing this.
·er for him?
ae tone of the typewriter and everything so
-what be was doing.
awnre, then, according to what he snid to
otes?
ecause he s aid she would cover or watch for
at he was malting them.
;eer anybody away while he wns doing thls-
blc.
-y' much. He--well, there wasn't much time.
ing t o translate things like that. And be was
reserved?
·t?
n't want to answer n question-it yon asked
. mple It was, l:f he didn't want to answer it,
JU?
1 brother out in Arlington Heights. Well, I
'!Cognized t he area he lived in by the telephone
J U live, Lee? I have lived out in that part of
subject right there. He had nothing else to
:;ny anythina: more-."
te had a mother . He never mentioned his
r ; he mentioned his wife-said she liked it
ery ill from the food because it was too rich.
d become HJ?
the s tomach ache. or something, because
ng time.
s that they- -
J.ere a month, I don' t think, when--
e 1.2-so, he was only-when he reached your
'i t been here G days.
:'e,rrlng to articles in local Fort Worth l)(lpers
nent.
his attitude toward Russia?
.lk much about it, as :far as that goes. But
...
;,
these notes , it wns-uh-the terrible living conditions and the terrible working
conditions and-ub-he did say, "Anything you hear about vacations and those
big May Day celebrations, that's all propaganda." He said, " You don't get
vacations.'' And he said, "These May Day celebrations-res; thf'Y ha>e them ••
but you're forced to go. It's not u voluntary thing. and if you have n radio
or n television and you don't listen to it, you better have a good explanation
because all you hear is party politics and you' ve got to listen to it. You don' t
have coffee breaks nnd you go tJo work before dawn and you get oll afte r dark."
And the notes were very, ve.ry bitter about Russia. And he never once men-
tioned the word "Communist."
Mr. JENNER. Either in his notes or orally to yon?
Mrs. BATES. He just said "the party."
Mr. JE:<NER. The Party? Those are the words he used-the expression,
rather?
Mrs. BATES. Uh·huh.
And he said you couldn't talk, you couldn' t express anything because there was
always a pnrty person around and he'd report you.
Mr. J ENNER. Uh·hub.
Mrs . BaTES. He didn't talk very much. Just helpe,d me with the translation
and the notes-to r end them.
Mr. J ENNER. Did he say anything to you about nny etEort on his part t o be-
come a citizen of Russia? .
Mrs. BATES. Didn' t know anything about it. Oh, another thing he Slltd that
he was very bitter about-he weut over there on a 2-year visa and, of course;
be married l\Iarina. At the end of the 2 years wben he wanted to leave, they
wouldn't let him bring her back. They said, " You go ahead and we'll send
ber to you.''
" Well, of course," he said, "I knew I'd never see her again."
so, he stayed 11 months longer until he could get het• ond he raised s o much
cain until they finally let him.
Mr. JENNER. Raised cnin with whom?
Mrs. BATES. The Russinns.
Mr. JENNER. Uh·bub.
Mrs. BATES. He woulcln't leave--his visa   out but he wouldn' t leave until
they let her go .
Mr. JENNER. Uh·huh.
Did he express orally to you views or opinions respecting the Go,·ernment
of the United States?
Mrs. BATES. Ne,·er.
Mr. JENNER. Did yon gather anything with respect to bis attitude toward the
'Onlted States?
'i\Irs. BAT£S. No ; I've t hought and _thought-and. of coarse, I've been asked
questions all along. And he didn't discuss anythiD;g· , If you got 10 out
of bJ.m n[ a time, you were dolo;; good. He jus t d1dn t tnlk--i!xcept expl:unlng
those notes and, at times, l1e would go Into detail on them. Convel"sntions- he
had actual conversations that he bad had with different people over there.
Mr. J ENXER. Oh, he had? .
Mrs. BATES. If you could find those notes, I tell you- they were fascinating
to rend. "Inside Russia"-was what it was. And they were coherent
they were well written. And he had them a ll iD sequence. I mean, they weren t
just haphazard. He bad them all in sequence according to city and dates and
things like that.
Mr. JENNER. How was his spelling?
Mrs. BATES. Well, the English was fair.
1\Jr. JENNER. The spelling?
Mrs. BATES. Yeah.
Mr. J ENNER. He was an accurate speller?
Mrs. BATES. Fair.
Mr. JENNER. He had misspelled words, [bough, occasionally?
Mrs. BATES. Ob, yeah. Mostly, I'd say, I don't know whether it was mis-
spelled or just that he got In a hurry and lef t letter s out. But there's very
few men that are good spellers. I shouldn't say that but it's--
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Mr. JENNER. I am-when I my secretary.
Mrs. BATES. Yeah [laughter].
College students are notoriously bad spellers.
l\lr. JENNER. Partieularly law students.
l'\Irs. BATES. Well-no-pnrt!(•Ularly psycholo:ry maj ors. They're terrible!
Mr. JENNEtL Did yon type all of his notes?
l\Irs. DATES. not e•en a t hird of them.
1\lr . .TEN:'>IER. Tell me that circumstance.
!\Irs. BATES. Well, on the 20th, he came up and he '1\·as--uh--quite nervous.
. t.'h-tbe other 2 days, he'd sit right there at my desk and-uh-if I needed to
ask blm anything. why I would. But this day, be was walking up and down and
looking OYer shoulder and wanting to know where I was--and, finally, I
finished the lOth pa;:re. He said, '·);ow, Pauline, you told me what your char ges
were.'' He said, "Tllis is 8 hours   worked and 10 pnges. I have $10
nn<l no more money. And I l.'nn't lt>t go on."
And that's when I nsked him If I couldn't go on and type the rest of them.
J told him I'd do It for nothin;.t, or If he got the money, "·hy he could pay me.
And be said, •·No, I don't \York that wn.-. r ,·e got $10.'' And he polled a $10
IJUI ont of his pocket and walked ont.
Mr. JENNER. Were you in possession of these notes from day to day or did
ht> tnke them hack with him at night?
Mrs. BATES. Oh, he took them with him. He never left anything. And he
oe•er left the office until he hnd picked up "·hat I had typed-e1·en the carbon
paper.
1\Ir. JENNER. EYen the carbon papel".?
Mrs. BATES. Oh yeah. He took the carbon paper.
He did tell me that-I thin!' It was the second day-that there was a man
in Fort 'Vortb-aod he's an en:rlneer. I enn't remember. I've scratched my
brain on tilat. too, trying' to remember-I just sa1Y the letterhead for a
that was Interested in hadng these- note-s into 1.10ok f orm-manuscript form.
Mr. J:&:VNER. Does the name George De Mobrenschildt re!resh your recollec·
tion?
Mrs. BATES. Xo. t •h-I just. got a g-limpse of t he letterhead, and it didn' t
register with me.
:\{r. JENNER. But it s ounded like a man who is an engineer?
)lrs. BATES. He said he was an engineer-he told me that. But ther e's
lots of engineers in---
Mr. Oh, yes.
:Mrs. BATES. And that be was interested in helpiug Lee get these notes pub·
llshed. And be said, ot course, he would bnYe to chanl!e names und things like
tbnt. He had actual Russian unrues of people he- talked to. And in order to
protect people, he'd hn,·e to change the names. But the runn was willing to-
uh-wnnted to go ahend. He had rl'ad ail the not«.>s. I ne,·er did read all of
them. this Is what Lee told me.
Mr. JENNER. Lee told you that this other person--
Mrs. Uh-huh, this engineer.
Mr. JENNER.' And the impression is yours that be was an engineer; bud r ead
all the notes.
Mrs. BaTES. Uh-buh. Lee told me be hud shown bim the notes.
:M.r. JENNER. Uh-huh.
Mrs. BA.TES. Now, I don't know whether be hod rend them all or not. Maybe
I shouldn't say. He said, "l'•e shown him the notes."
.And the man could rend and spe3k Russian.
Mr. JENNER. Ub-huh.
Mrs. BATEs. That much he did tell me.
And I just-uh-the next doy when be came up was when he real nerv-
ous and excited, sort of excited, like, I don' t know. I'm afraid to say. I don't
like to give impressions because they could be '1\'rOng.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. BATES. But be showed no emotion at any time. The man just never
showed any emotion. He had the deadest eyes I eYer suw.
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Mr. JENNER. Uh-hub. Did he tnlk n
Mrs. BATES. Yes-uh-some.
Mr. JEi'"NER. What did be say?
Mrs. BATES. That-nh-she JoYed A.
liked it here very much and hOI
And that   get over \\
and that New York had just astoundec
Mr. JENNER. Uh-huh.
Mrs. BATES. And Texas climat e-uh-
Mr. JENNER. The climate, you mean;
Mrs. BATEs. Uh-buh.
And- uh- be never mentioned his m
a child.
Mr. JENNER. In any of the notes y
Mrs. BATES. No, sir; I didn't know h
1\!r. J:&NNEil. In any notes thnt yon
which he had married Marion?
Mrs. DATES. NeYer mentioned her. l
Mr. J ENNER. What impression do yot
t.hat was covered by the notes that yon
Mrs. BATES. Well, it was on Mins k a
two cities- and be must ba,·e been on tl
hecnu:o;e lle t old me he bad to just tin
awn)• from people.
And I don't think it was anything ·
just a few months. It was t oo detaile•
Mr. JENNER. Uh-huh. I see.
And your thought is that yon nb•
Mrs . B.\TES. About-from the pile. l
really, because they were all size!'-the
Mr. JENNER. And, also, be didn't perm
Mrs. BATES. No; I just saw the em·el
Mr. JENNER. That was letter size?
Mrs. BATES Letter si?.e. Uh-buh. 1
Mr. JENNEIL Yes ; that's right.
Mrs. DATEs. I wish I could remembe
legnl training came forth
not suppose t o remember things.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. BATEs. All I remember is the
the terrible working conditions.
They at·e both the same, Mr. Jenner (
Press, which Mr. Jenner was per using]
Mr. JENNEIL They are?
Mrs. BATES {;h-huh. One is the firs
Mr. JENNER. I see. But the text of tl
Mrs. BATES. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did you relate that ext
lllrs. BATES. Well, after I- ub-aftE
line Hnu;tilton and I are good friends.
Mr. JENNER. That's the Fort Worth
l\Irs. Uh·huh.
And we were ba,·ing lunch one day ·
about, ob, just this, t hat, and the otber
I did n real interesting job the other d:
and out of a job, and you might be uble t
So, I gave her Lee's name nod tele
was the telephone number-his brot he
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. BATES. And they tt·ied to conta
Mr. JENNER. Could not contact--
Mrs. BATES. Lee.
lw ve my secr etar y.
·] .
nsly bad spellers.
w students.

psrcltolo!O' maJors. They'1·e terrible!
1 of his notes?
bird of them.
r·cumstauce.
he cnn1e up and he was--uh--quite ner,·ous
r•ght a t my desk and- ub-i! I needed u;
1· But tll •s day, he was walking up a nd down and
  to know where I was-and, finally, I
d, :-low, Pauline, you told rue what your charges
•?urs worked and 10 pages. I have $10
• t let you go on."
n !! 1 couldn't go on and type the rest of th
or if he got the money, why he could pay me. em.
·k that   I've got $10.'' And he pulled a
rl out. "'
of these notes from day to day or did
ntght? ,
m with lllllJ. He never left anything. And he
d pickecl up what I had typed-even tile carbon
papet·?
•k the carbon paper.
it the second day-tha.t there was a. man
a;tlneer. I can't re.member. r,·e scr atched my
jus t saw the letterhead tor a minute-
;se notes put into book f orm-manuscript f orm.
reorge De i\!ohr enschildt refresh your recollee-
got a ;rlimpse of the letterhead, and it didn't
ke a tnan who Is an engineer?
an engineer-be told me tbat. But there's
interes ted in helping Lee gee these notes pull-
:e woulcl ha,·e to names and thi ngs like
trues of people he talked to. And In order to
ge the names. But the man l\llS willing t o-
d rend all the notes. I nerer did rend all of
rae.
:his other person--

·1 Is yours that h e was an engineer; bad r ead
ne be had shown him the notes.
whether he had rend them all or not. 1\Iaybe
own him the notes."
'ak Russian.
ell me.
ben he came up was when he \vas l'enl uerv-
{e, I don't know. I 'm afraid to say. I don't
ey could be wrong.
emotion at any time. The man just never
j eaclest eyes I ever saw.
Mr. JENNER. Uh-buh. Did he talk about hli! wife?
;\lrs. BATES. Yes-ub-some.
)Jr. JENNER. What did he say?
Mrs. BATES. Tbat-ub-she loved America and had wanted to come and that
pbe liked it here very much and hoped that they could get work nod s tay.
.AJ!d that she-uh--couldn't get over walking down the streets, and the s hops-
and that New York had just astounded her.
Mr. J ENNER. Uh-huh.
l\[rs. BATES. And Texas ciin1ate-ull-wa.s really good for her.
Mr. JENNER. The climo.t e, you mean?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh.
And-uh-he never mentioned his mother. He never mentioned that be had
a child.
Mr. J ENNER. In any of the notes you t ranscrihed, was a child mentioned?
Mrs. BATES. No, sir ; I didn' t know be bad a.ny.
;\Jr. JENNER. In any notes that you transcribed, did be r each the poi nt a.t
111
·bich be bad married Ma rina?
Mrs. BATES. Never mentioned her. But he told me that he diu.
;'l!r. J ENNER. What impression do you have as to the period of t ime in Russia
thn t was covered by the notes t hat you type<l?
?.Irs. BATES. Well, it was on Minsk and- uh-thnt one that s tarts with " K " -
two cities-and be must haYe been on them for the whole tinle he was over there,
because he told me he had to just do it wl\en he could get the time and get
away from people.
And I don' t think it wns anything t hat could have been gotten together iu
just a few months. I t was too detailed.
Mr. JENNER. Uh-huh. I see.
And your t hought is that you type<! about a thi rd of his notes?
i\Irs. About- from the pile. I don' t know how much more there wag,
really, because they were all sizes-t he paper was.
Mr. J ENNER. And, also, be didn' t permit you to look at the balance?
Mrs. BATES. No; I j ust saw the envelope. I typed 10 full single-spaced pages.
:\-I r. JENNER. That was letter size?
Mrs. BATES Lett er si?:e. Uh-huh. And t hat's a lot or words.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; that's right.
l\Irs. BATES. I wish I could r emember more about them but-ub- I thi nk my
legal training came forth there-you f orget things deliberately when you're
not suppose to remember things.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. BATES. All I remember is the terrible living conditions in Russin and
the terrible working conditions.
They are both the same, Mr. J enner [referring to two copies of t he Fort Worth
Press, which Mr. Jenner was perusing] .
Mr. JENNER. They are ?
Mrs. BATES Uh-huh. One Is the first edition and the other is the final edition.
Mr. J ENNER. I see. But the t ext of the story is the same?
Mrs. BATES. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did you r elate that experience of yours t o anybody a.t the time?
:Mrs. BATES. Well, after 1-ub-after be l eft, a short time afterward, Caro-
line Hamilton and I are good friends. She's a repor ter on the Press. ·
Mr. J ENNER. That's the Fort Worth Press?
Mrs. BATES. Uh·hub. .
and we were having lunch one day down at the corner <l rugstore and talking
nbout, oh, just t his, that, and the other thing, and I said, "By the wa.y, Caroline,
I did a real interesting job the other day. A.nd the boy t hat I <lid it for is broke
and ou·t of a job, and you might be a.ble to help blm."
So, I gave her Lee's name an<l telephone number. That's all he gave me-
was the telephone number-his br ot her·s t elephone number.
Mr. J ENNER. Yes.
Mrs. BATES. And they tried to contact him but couldn't.
l\Ir. JENNER. Could not contact- -
Mrs. BATES. Lee.
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I just thought maybe they might be able to find him work, or something like
that, because he wasn't working. He hadn't gotten a j ob. And be wns real
wor ried about it, because he needed one.
Mr. J ENI\"'ER. Yes.
Mrs. BATES. And I just thought maybe that t hey might be able to help him
find a job.
Mr. J ENNER. And they were unable to contact him?
Mrs. BATES. They couldn't find him. They went out t o his brother's hollle
several tlmes-oh, I think, two or three times, she said--<>ne of the reporters
did.
Mr. JENNER. And when was this?
Mrs. B.ATES. Oh, it was shortly after I did the work.
Mr. JENNER. I see. In the summer of 1962?
Mrs. BATES. lTh-huh; he was s till out-! guess he w.os still out there-but
there was never anybody at home when they went out there.
Mr. JENNER. Uh-huh.
Mrs. BATES. And, actually, I didn't know that Lee was the accused assassin.
I didn't see any television, or anythJng else, the day that the President was
killed. I was still under such a shock because I ba(] just seen him go down the
street in f ront of my building and I could have shaken hands with him-and
Jt was a terrible shock-until Caroline called me.
Mr. JENNER. Uh-hub ; that day?
Mrs. BATES. That night of the assassination..
And wondered, she said-I was out at my clnb-and she said, "Have you seen
any television or listened to any radios?"
And I said, "No."
She said, "Well, have you got a television. there?"
And I said, "Yes." ·
She said, "Turn it on-and then call me back."
So, I did. And there he was.
Mr. J ENNER. And the person you s aw on television-this would be the night
of the assassination?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-hub.
Mr. J ENNER. You recognized as being the same person who you knew as Lee
Oswald--
Mrs. BATES. Lee Oswald.
Mr. JENNER. And whose notes you typed on the 18th, 19th, and 20th of June?
Mrs. BATES. 1962.
Mr. J ENNER. 1962?
Mrs. BATES. Ub-hub.
Mr. J ENNER. And you wer e firm in your recognition of that person?
Mrs. BATES. Oh, yes. There was no doubt about it. His eyes alone would-
you could recognize. And when I also heard him talk, I knew that's who It
was.
That's all there is [referring to newspaper that Mr. Jenner was perusing
aga.In].
Mr. JENNER. These first two pages?
Mrs. BATES. Yes.
Mr. JENI\"EB. When Miss Hamilton called you, I take i t she came over and
talked with you?
Mrs. BATES. Not until the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.
:hir. JENNER. Oh, it was delayed for a while. Let's s ee-Thanksgiving was the
following week ?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh.
Carollne said, "Well, do you want to do something about It?"
I said, "No; not now. Wait until I gather my thoughts and see it I'm
advised what to do. I don't want to do anythlng that I shouldn't do."
Mr. JENNER, Uh-huh.
Mrs. BATES. Because he hadn't been-he had not been-uh-charged then
even with the assassination. ·He'd just been picked up. -
Mr. JENNER. Ub-huh.
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urs. BATES. So, then she called
and she said, "Let's do a story on it."
talked. So-it wasn't any spur of t he rr
]\Jr. JENNER. Yes. J wasn't menu in;; to
Mrs. BATES. No, no; I 1.-now that. F
be was in my offi ce-and that was a littl
that happened since.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; in the Interim.
Mrs. BATES. Ub-buh.
Mr. JENNER. Did you ever see him or
that Is, the 20th of June, 1962?
:Mrs. BATES. I saw him on the str eet tw
Mr. JENNER. Oh, you did? This was
Mrs. BATES. Uh-hub. He didn' t see 1:
Mr. JENNER. He didn't see you and you
Mrs. BATES. Oh, he was a halt a bloc
going down Houston Street to the bo
ro.riety   or Grant's, I thi
Mr. JENNER. Was anybody with him?
Mrs. BATES. No; he was by himself.
Mr. JENI\LR. Did you ever meet Maril
Mrs. BATES. No; his mother called m•
Mr. JENNER. ' Vhen-after the assas.o;i
Mrs. BATEs.' The day the story broke.
Mr. JENNER. This story t hat you've sl
1\Irs. Barns. Uh-buh. She told me nc.
to ber. ·r said, "Well, I'm sor ry, Mrs. 0:
Is not the property-that is my property.'
Mr. JEI\"NER. What is her property?
Mrs. BATES. She said, "I knew that LE
work but I ne,·er could find out who."
know he had a mother in Fort Worth. l
don't talk to anyone unt il I have talkE
little bit too late."
Mr. Did she ever come out to
Mrs. BATES. No.
Mr. JENNER. And that was the only
Mrs. BATES. Yeah- nh-huh.
Mr. JENNER. I am going to show you
ment on the cover of which appears the
In Connection " ' ith the Assassination
photostatic copies of what purport to be!
wi th the handwriting of Lee Oswald?
Mrs. BATES. I was.
Mr. J ENNER. As you look at those dO<
pages I have mentioned?
Mrs. BATES. Yes [ complying]. It wo
wo.l t a minute!
Mr. JENNER. This i s for the purpose
his handwriting and, secondly, whether 3
1\lrs. BATES. Right here.
Mr. J ENNER. As things that be had in ·
Mrs. BATES. (Continuing to peruse
Mr. JENNER. You are now r eferring to
Mrs. BATES. Yeah.
Mr. JENNER. You see something that i
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh.
Mr. JENNER. Were any of the notes ·
ring book paper?
Arrs. BATES. I believe some of them w
Mr. J ENNE&. And were any of the 1
lett-hand margin?
they might be able to find him work .
working. He hadn't gotten a j b • or somethmg like
he needed one.
0
· And he was rent
t thought maybe that they might be able
to help him
were llDabte to contact him?
:in't lind him The ·
k, two or w::: to his !brother's home
• --one o the reporters
vas this?
:hortly after I did the work
the sununer of 1962? ·
was still out-I guess he w.as still out
, home when they went out there. there-but
ly, I didn't know that Lee was th
a    
and I could have shaken hilnd.s the
til Caroline called me. -and
1t day?
>l the a ssassination.
-I was out at my clul>-and she said "Ha
> any radios?" • ve you seen
got a television there?"
j then call me back."
.vas.
you saw on television- this would be the night
as being the same person who you knew as Lee
>tes you typed on the 18th, 19th, and 20th of .Tune?
firm in your recognition ot that person?
wa; no doubt al>out it. His eyes alone would-
en also heard him talk, I knew that's who It
ing to newspaper that Mr. J enner was perusing
>pages?
amllton calle(J you, 1 take It she came over and
'ednesday be!ore Thanksgiving.
yed tor a while. Let's see-Thanksgiving was the
v_ant to do SQmething about it ?"
ut until I gather my thoughts and see it I'm
nt to do anything that I shouldn't do."
been- he had not been- uh-eharged then
-e d jus t been picked up.
Mrs. BATES. So, then she called me Wednesday morning before Thanksgiving
a.nd she said, "Let 's do a story on it." So, we sat all Wednesday afternoon and
talked. S()-it wasn't any spnr of the moment thing.
Mr. JENNER. Yes. I wasn' t meruliug to suggest that.
Mrs. BATES. No, no ; I know that. But we tried to make It just the 3 days
he was In my office-and that was a little difficult to do because of all the things
tbat happened since.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; In the interim.
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh.
Mr. JENNEn. Dld you ever see him or hear of him !rom t hat time forward-
that is, the 20th of June, 1962?
Mrs. BATES. I sn w him on the street twice after that.
Mr. J ENNER. Oh, you did ? This was in Fort Worth?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh. He didn't see me.
Mr. NER. He didn't see you and you didn't greet him?
Mrs. BATES. Oh, he was a hal! a block or a quarter of a block away. I was
going down Houston Street to the bank and he was going into this-uh-
variety store-Green's, or Grant's, I think it Is.
Mr. J ENNER. Was anybody with him?
Mrs. BATES. No; he was by himself.
Mr. J ENNER. Did you ever meet Marina?
Mrs. BATES. No ; his mother called me.
Mr. JENNER. When-after the assassination?
Mrs. BATEs: The day the story broke.
-1\lr. JENNER. This story that you've shown me?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh. She told me not to t alk to anybody until I ha d talked
to her . ·x said, "Well, I'm sorry, Mrs. Oswald, you're too late." She said, "That
Is not the property-that is my propert y."
Mr. JENNER. What is her property?
Mrs. BATES. She said, " I knew that Lee had had a public stenographer do some
work but I never could find out who." And I said, "Mrs. Oswald, I didn't even
know he had a mother in Fort Worth. He neYer spoke of her." She said, "Well,
don't talk to anyone untll I have talked to you." I said, "Well, you're j ust a
little bit too ln te."
Mr. JENNER. Did s he ever come out to see you?
Mrs. BATES. No.
Mr. JENNEn. And that was t he only conversation you ever had with her?
Mrs. BATES. Yeab-uh-buh.
Mr. JENNER. I nm going to show you pages 148 through 157 of a bound docu-
ment on the cover of which appears the title, "Affidavits and Statements Taken
In Connection ·with the Assassination Of The President." These pages are
photostatic copies of what purport to be some manuscript notes. Are you familiar
with the handwriting of Lee Oswald?
Mrs. BATES. I was.
1\-Ir. JEr;:sEn. As you look at those documents-would you lent through all t he
pages I have mentioned?
Mrs. Yes [ complying] . It would be pretty hard--oh! wait a minute!
wait a minute !
1
Mr. J ENNER. This is f or the purpose of Inquiring of you, first, whether that's
his handwriting and, secondly, whether you r ecognize any of that material?
Mrs. BATES. Right here.
iHr. J ENNER. As things that he bad in his notes.
'Mrs. BATES. (Continuing to peruse notes) Metropol e-uh-huh-Minsk.
Mr . J ENNER. You are now referring to page 149?
Mrs. BaTES. Yeah.
Mr. JENNER. You see something that is famlllar to you?
Mrs. B.a.TES. Ub-huh.
Mr. JENNER. Were any of the notes that he tender ed to you on the punched,
ring book paper?
Mrs. BATES. I believe some of them wer e.
Mr . J ENNER. And were any of the notes on the lined paper with the ruled
left-hand margin?
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Mrs. BATES. Every kind of paper imaginable.
Mr. JENNER. Well, do you recognize some ot them as being on paper of that
character?
Mrs. BATEs. Ub-bub ; uh-hub.
Mr. JENNER. Now, some of his notes were in lon:.:lland, were they not?
Mrs. BATES. Yes; In pencil and pen.
Mr. JENNER. In pencil and in pen?
Mrs. BATES. His pen would run out and he would start in on pencil.
Mr. JENNER. Now, is that handwriting familiar to you as compared with the
handwriting of Lee Oswald, or what be said was hill handwriting, when you
transcribed his notes for 3 days?
Mrs. BATES. It looks very much- as I remember it-it looks very much like ft.
[Tbe witness points ton particular page.]
Mr. JENNER. The witness is referring to page 149 which seems particularly to
attract her attention. The head of that is "Resident of U.S.S.R." Does that
page awaken your r ecollection?
Mrs. BATES. L"h-huh-very definitely.
Mr. JENNER. What about it awakens your recollectlon?
Mrs. BATES. Well, as I remember, that's the way his notes started out.
J\fr. JENNER. That [reading from notes) "I lived In Moscow from October 16,
1959, to January 4, 1060, during which time I stayed at the Berlin and Metropole
Hotel"?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh. That is as I remember-as I can remember-and that's
a ll I can do, my recollection is that that's the wny they started out-just like a
story.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. BATES. A diary.
Mr. JENNER. Did he take his notes with him, too, when he--
Mrs. BATES. Took everythinl!. He wouldn't allow me to keep anything.
Mr. JENNER. Would you go throuJ:(h those pages and see if you recognize any
other of the story type of thing?
Mrs. BATES. [Complying.] Uh-hnh. It was strictly Russian-on Russia-his
trip to Russin.
Mr. JENNER. And, at that time, be had just r eturned from Russin a nd it
would appear from the notes that you have examined that the Inter not es deal
with his subsequent residenct> in the United States?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-bub.
Mr. JENNER. And in New Orleans?
Mr. BATES. Yeah; which I knew nothing about.
Mr. JENNER. ·well, it occurred afterward, in any event.
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh. I mean, I had never beard of the man before and I
didn't hear of him afterwards.
Mr. JENNER. Now, the story in The Fort Worth Press-front page story in
The Fort Worth Press of Friday, November 29, 1963, volume 48, No. 50, final
home edition, which you ha"e kindly brought with you today, and which is
marked Bates Exhibit No. 1 and is otrered In evidence.
Mrs. B.ATEB. Yon may have it.
Mr. JENNER. Thank you. And that is the story--
Mrs. BATES. Uh-huh.
Mr. JENNER. That was written by Miss Caroline Hamilton, Press stntr writer,
as you have described?
Mrs. BATES. Ub-huh.
Mr. JENNER. Is that story accurate as you related it to her?
'M.rs. BATEs. That's right.
Mr. JENNER. Is there anything in the story that you would like to amend
or correct?
Mrs. BATES. No, sir. It was rend to me before it was ever printed twice.
Mr. JENNER. It i s Bates Exhibit No. 1 n.nd is offered In evidence.
Mrs. BATES. And we did it very carefully to make it all-so we wouldn't get
the past and the present mixed up. We kept it to the 3 days.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall being interviewed by the FBI on December 2, 1963?
·Mrs. BATES. Yes ; let's s ee, that was a Saturday, wasn't it- December 2?
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1\lr. JEr-;NER. [Referring to calendar] Decem
Mrs. BATES. Well , no; they came to my h•
broke.
Mr. JEN::oi&n. Did they interview you twice ?
Mrs. BATES. 'Vell, they didn' t interview u:
just-ub- I had received n letter, I think It
Mr. JENNEI<. I see. Could it have been Sat t
J\lrs. BATES. It was the fllllowing Saturday
the 30th of No\·ember. sir.
Mr. JENNER. Do you r ecall saying to the FI
the story was accurate---
Mrs. BATES. Yes. sir ; ga'l"e him a copy of it.
Mr. J ENNER. I n e;ery detail, with one excep1
never stated that he was working for t he U. S.
Mrs. BATES. Well, that is not in the story.
Mr. J ENNER. Tell me about that.
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1\lrs. BATES. That was what-the r adio and
in my mouth at that time. And-ub-I  
call and tell them to r etract that. I ne\·er Stl1
first said that he went to Russia a nd had got)
jn>:t a thought-that maybe he was going on•
Department-as n s tudent or something.
Mr. JENNER. Ub-huh. I
Mrs. BATES. From thnt , they got that he
Jf you think that ' s bad, you ought to see
I had to get them to retract- according to th
had it
0 0
the wire that you people had come o·l
and interviewed me--and I was on my way
1\Ir. You lllenn. this past. wet>kend?
Mrs. BATE&. Yes; The Star Telegram called .
1\Ir. JENNER. Uh·buh.
Mrs. BATES. And asked me about it and I s
talking about."
And they said. "Well , somebody has just jum
And I said, "\Yell, you'd better do
I certainly don't want to get in trouble with the
J\Ir. JE:sl\'ER. I think sou1e one of the young
but I put no stock In it,
Mrs. BATES. Well, I didn't know anything al
at home. I bad It taken out. And there wnsn
rue. I did get my letter Friday. But that's
l>lnne ;\Jondn:r t.o Washington! [laughing) .
Mr. JENNER. They try to put two and two t<
out of three times.
Mrs. BATES. Well, anyhow, The Star
tbnt I bad gotten the letter-that they under
I would be called as n witness--and that was i
I told them- ! s a id, "You'd better get th:
true--and I'm cer tainly not going to be accou:
one has contacted me except by letter." Bli
words In my mouth.
Mr. JENNER. They hadn't talked t o you at a
Mrs. BATES. Who?
Mr. JENNER. The newspaper people over thi
Mrs. BATES. No; I don't have a phone at
with bursitis.
!Mr. JENNER. Oh, you were ?
Mrs. BATES. I've got it right now. It's abc
Mr. JENNER. That' s pretty bad stuff.
Mrs. BATES. But, all this stuff about th
strictly radio and television and repOrters.
drove me crazy calling me at 2 and 3 in them
1per imaginable.
some ot them as being on paper of that
l.
1is notes were In longhand, were they not?
nd pen.
. pen?
run out ancl he would start in on pencil.
ndwrltlng familiar to you as compared with the
; what he said was his handwriting, when you
cb-as I remember it-it looks very much like it.
cular page.]
-eferrfng to page 149 which seems particularly to
td of that is "Resident of U.S.S.R." Does that
·finitely.
;vakens your recollection?
uber , that's the way his notes started out.
:om notes ] "I lived in Moscow from October 1G
which time I stayed at the Berlin and
as I r emember-as I can remember-and that's
hat that's the way they started out-just like a
>tes with him, too, when he--
He wouldn't allow me to keep anything.
r ough t hose pages and see if you recognize any
a-huh. It was strictly Russian-on Russia-his
te, he had just returned from Russin. and it
tt you have e:xnmined that the later notes deal
·he United States?
iDS?
w nothing nbout.
tfterwnrd, in any event.
I had never heard of the man before and I
1 The Fort Worth Press-front page story In
·, November 29, 1963, volume 48, No. 50, final
_indly brought with you today, and which is
LS offered in evidence.
that is the story--
"JY Miss Cnrol:lne Hamilton, Press stntr writer,
lte as you related it to her?
in the story that you would llke to amend
d to me \t was ever print ed twice.
No. 1 and Is otrered in evidence.
carefully to make It all-so we wouldn't get
We kept it t o the 3 days.
interviewed by the FBI on December 2, 1963?
ovas a Saturday, wasn't it-December 2?
1\Ir J ENNER. [Referring t o calendar] December 2 was a Monday.
  BATES. Well, no; t hey came to my home on Saturday a f ter the story
broke.
1\Ir. J ENNER. Did they interview you twice? .
Mrs. B&TES. Well, they didn't interview me the second tune r eally. They
ust--uh- I bad r eceived a letter, I think it was, that I turned over to them.
j Mr. JENNER. I see. Could lt have been Saturday, the 30th of November?
1\lrs. BATES. It was the following Saturday a!t.er the st.ory broke. Saturday
the 30th of Xowmber. Yes, s ir.
Mr. JENNER. Do you r ecall saying to the FBI men who interviewed you that
the story was accurate--
Mrs. BATES. Yes, sir; gave him a copy of it.
l.'t!r. JENNER. In every detail, with one exception- which was that Lee Oswald
never stated that be was for the U.S. State Department.
1\Irs. BATES. Well, that is not m the story.
Mr. JENNER.. Tell me about that. .
.Mrs. BATES. Tha t wnl:' whot-the radio and television was try1ng to put words
in my mouth at that time. And-uh-I don't know bow many times I had to
all nod teil them to retract that. I never stated 'tbot. I stat ed thut when h e
said that he went to Russin and had gotten n visa that I _thought-it was
jnst
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thought-that mayiJe he was going OYer under the ausp1ces of t he State
Department- as a student or something.
Mr. JENNER.. Uh-buh.
1\lrs. BATES. From that, they got that he was a secret agent for the-
It you think that"s bad, you ought to see what they did to me over the weekend.
1 bad to get them to retract- according to the Associated Press Monday t hey
bad it on the wire thnt you people bad come out to my house over the weekend
and interviewed me-and I wns on my way to Washington Monday !
l\Ir. JE:'<"XER. You mean. this past weekend ?
Mrs. BATES. Yes; The Star Telegram called me 1\fonday--
?ICr. J E:-INER. t:h-huh.
Mrs. BATES. And asked me about it and I said, "l don't know what you are
tnlkiog about."
And t hey said, "Well, somebody has j ust j umped the gun."
And 1 said, "Well, you'd better do something about it. That's not true. And
I certainly don't want to get in trouble with those people."
Mr. JENNER. I think some one of the you.ng men around here told me that-
but I put no stock in it, so--
Mrs. BATES. Well, I didn't know anything about it. I don' t hn>e a telephone
at home. I had it taken out. And there wasn't any way anybody could contact
me. I did get my letter Friday. But that's nil. Well, they had me on the
J)lane :\londay t.o Washington! [laughing). That's the press.
Mr. JENNER. They try to put two and two together and hope they'll hit it one
out ot three times. .
Mrs. BA.TES. Well, anyhow, The Star Telegram took care of it. They sa1d
that r had gotten the lett er-that they understood I had gotten the letter and
I would be called ns a witness--and that was lt.
I told them-I said, "You'd better get t hat off the wir es because it's not
true-and I'm certainly not going to be accountable for anything like that. No
one bas contacted me except by letter." But they were putting al l kinds of
words in my mouth.
Mr. J ENNE&. They hadn't talked to you at all?
!\Irs. BATES. Who?
1\Ir. JENNER. The newspaper people over tbis weekend?
1\Irs. BATES. No: I don't have a phone at home. And I was home very ill
with bursitis.
al\Ir. JENNER.. Oh, you were?
Mrs. BATEs. I've got it right now. It's about to drive me crazy.
Mr. JENNER. That's pretty bad stuff.
Mrs. BATES. But, all this stuff about the Secret Service, I mean, t hat ' s
strictly radio and television and reporters. '.rhe UP and the Associated Press
drove me crazy calling me at 2 and 3 in the morning-"Mr s. Bates, can't you add
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something?"-"Can't you remember something else?"-"'Ve ll, can't you elnbo.
rate?" .Well, I had one stock answer: "You cannot elaborate on t he truth."
1\Ir. JENNER. Tl1nt's right.
Mrs. BATES. And that's all I could remember. I didn't know the man; I
could not say anything about him except what happened in m:v otflc·e. An<!
that's all I knew a!Jout it. "Well, can't you elnborate?''-you can't elaborate
on the truth.
1\Ir. JENNER. No; that's right. Does nnytblng occur to you that you think
might be helpful to the Commission about which I han>n't asked
as seeking the actual facts here is concerned?
Mrs. BAl'ES. I don't kno1v. I can't think of. a nother thing. And I do have
to keep from gl>ing impressions I've got now.
Mr. JENNER. Yes. You have to--
Mrs. BATES. I mean, disassociate the past and the present. I'1·e got to.
Mr. J ENNER. That's right.
Mrs. BA1'ES. Because I don' t know anything about the man except wbat
I have rend-since then. And I cannot make stnten1ents on my opinions or
things like that. I don't believe in it.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Mrs. Bates, there have been a !ew occasions when the reporter was changing
her tape and otherwise we have been otr the record, during which we l1ave
had some conversations. I s there anything that occurred during the course
of those asides that I had with you that you think I baye failed to bring 0\1t-
thnt's pertinent here?
Mrs . BAtEs. No, sir; I think e•erytblng is <.lown. In fact. we quit talking
when she was clJUneing the tupe-ex<:ept for a or something like tbnt.
I wish I could help you·more.
Mr. JENNER. So do we. But all we can do Is to try to delve into this great
mystery.
Mrs. Bates, you have the privilege and right to rend OYer your deposition
when it's bee.n transcribed.
Mrs. BATES. May I have a copy?
Mr. JENNER. And to make any additions or corrections you see fit to make
and that you think are warranted, and to sign it. You also have the right t o
waive these pri>ileges if you see fit.
I! you wish to take advantage of. them, this transcript should, I think. be
r eady along about Wednesday of. next week, a week from today. If you will
call in, it. I 'm not in-we expect to be here--but If I'm not In, talk to the U.S.
attorney, Mr. Sanders.
Mrs . BATES. That's long distance. I lh·e in Fort Wort h. Could you get
a'hold of. Agent Howard?
Mr. JENNER. Agent Howard? Well, we cannot let the deposition out uf onr
possession.
Mrs. BATES. No, no; and let him l et me know when it is ready ? He's the
one that brought me over and be's waiting !or me.
Mr. JENNER. Oh, he is?
Mrs. BATES. Uh-hub.
Mr. J ENNER. Well, when you a.re dri ving bacl• with Agent Howard--
Mrs. BATES. I'll tell him.
Mr. JENNER. You tell Agent Howard to let yon imo\'1" when it is renrly.
Mrs. BATES. Okay. Because I don't have a car.
Mr. JENNER. Because I have n hundred things to think nbont anrl I prohnhly
won't think about it.
Mrs. BATES. Would there be n possibility of ha1·ing a of. it?
Mr. JENNER. The rules proYide that i! you wish a copy, may haYe a copY
by paying the cow:t reporter whatever the court reporter's regular rates are.
So, if. you wish to make an arrangement with her, that's your privil('ge.
Mrs. BATES. Well, I'll ask Mr. a very promint>nt lawyer oyer
be said be wanted a copy of ft.
Mr. J ENNER. Well, we would not supply a copy of it to anyone     If you
personally want n copy, you have the privilege of obtaining one.
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Mrs· BATES. Ub-uh. Well, yon couldJ
Mr. JENNER. Not only can we not af!'<
bod:r-other than yourself.
an{rrs. BATES. Oh, no ; of my deposition,
Mr. J ENNER. You may obtain a COPY 0
tbe reporter.
1\Irs. BaTES. I see what you mean. ,
Mr. But, yon may not do so fo
?.frs. BAl'ES. Oh, no; but I mean I waJ
;lr. JENNER. And thank you for your t1
i\Irs. BATES. Well, I figured it might hi
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TESTIMONY OF
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The testimony of !\[ax E. Clark was 1
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the office of the u.s. attorney, 301 I
Dallas, Tex. , by Mr. Wesley J. l
dent' s Commission. I
Mr. LtEDELER. If you will and raj
you under oath. I
(Complying.) I
:Mr. LIEnELER. Do you solemnly swen
give will be t he truth, the whole truth, !
God? I
Mr. CLARK. I do. . I
1\lr. LIEBELER. Mr. Clark, my name JS.
the legal stat!' of the President's Comm1
President Kennedy. Staff members ba,·
of witnesses by the Commission pursun_
sion by Executive Order 11130 dated :K
of Congress No. 137. I understnn_d that
telling you I would be in touch w1th yoc
documents plus copies of. the rules of
testimony. I pres ume you did recei:re t
correct?
l\Ir. CLARK. That is right.
.Mr. LlEDELEB. I want to take your t.
knowledge of Lee Oswald a
him, your knowledge of h1s
here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, v
you about your knowledge of Mr. Gee
Mr. LIEnELER. Would you state your f1
Mr. CLARK. Max E. Clark.
Mr. LIEDEl.ER. You are an attorney?
Mr. CLARK. Yes.
Mr. LIEDELER. A member of the Bar o:
Mr. CLARK. Yes.
Mr. LIEDELEB. Any other State?
Mr. Cu..nK. No, I am licensed to prn
Bar Association.
Mr. LIEDELEB. And you maintain yot
Mr. CLARK. That is correct.
Mr. LIEDELEB. What is your home ad•
Mr. CLARK. 4312 Selkirk Drive West
Mr. LIEDELER. How long have you bel
Mr. CLARK. Since 1939--now I have 1
Mr. LIEnELER. That's good enough ;
American, Mr. Clark?
someU1ing else?"-"'Vell can't Y
1 . . .. • ou e abo.
answer . You _cannot elaborate on the truth."
I could remember. I didn't know th
h' e man· r
rru except what happened in my office A
I, can't yon elaborate ?"-you can't
Does anything occur to you t1lat you think
about whi ch I haren't uskecl
concerned? ur
can't think of another thing And I do have
I've got now. ·
the pas t and the present. r,·e got to.
know anything about the man except Wh·tt
make statements on my opinions
few occasions when the reporter was chan:rt
been ofl' the record, during which we  
anything that occurred during the cours
that you think I have failed to bring
everything is cl_own. In fact. we quit taiJ.ing
tor a C.7{;arette, or somt>thlng like thnt.
we can do Is to try to delve Into this great
and right to read oveli your deposition
additions ?r corrections you see tit to make
' and to Sign it. You also have the right to
t.
of them, this transcript should I th' k >.n
next week ' m • =
· a w:ek, from today. If yon will
be here--but rf I Ill not in, talk to the U.S.
I live in Fort Worth. Conld you get
ell,' we cannot let the deposition out tlf our
let me know when it is rearly? He's the
iting tor me.
e driving hnck with Agent Howard--
to let yon kno'" when it is renilr.
•n t have a car. ·
u ndred things t o think about ani! I probnhly
of ha1· fng n ot it?
. at it you wish n copy, yon mar hn \'e a copy
_ever the court reporter's regular ratps are
:nent with her, that's your ·
•ansom-bt>'s n ,.e
1
y ot it. ry prom nt>nt lnwrer over
sup!lty a copy of It to anyone E'IRP. It ynu
e Privilege ot obtaining one.
Mrs. BATEs. Uh-uh. Well, you couldn't n.fford to give anybody copies ot it.
Mr. JENNER. Not only can we not afl'ord it, but we would not sell n copy to
anybody-other than yourself.
Mrs. BATES. Oh, no; of my deposition, you mean?
}!r. J ENNER. You may obtain a copy of your deposition by nnangerneut with
the reporter.
}Irs. BATES. I see what you mean.
Mr. JENNER. But, you may not do so for somebody else.
Mrs. BATES. Oh, no; but I mean I want it tor my files up at the office.
Mr. JENNER. And thank you for your time and your cooperation.
Mrs. BATES. Well, I figured it might help.
TESTii\10NY OF MAX E. CLARK
The testimony of Max E. Clark was taken at 2:10 p.m., on March 25. 1064,
In the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Butlding, Bryan and Erray
Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr . Wesley J. Liebeler , assistant counsel of the Presi·
dent's Commission.
Mr. LIEDEI.ER. If you will rise and raise your right hand, please, I will place
you under oath.
(Complying.)
Mr. LtEBELER. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to
give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothlng but the truth, so help you
God?
Mr. CLARK. I do.
Mr. LIEDELER. Mr. Clark, my name is Wesley J . Liebeler. I nm a member of
the legal staff of the President's Commission investigating the assassination of
President Kennedy. Staff members have been authorized to take the testimony
or witnesses by the Commission pursuant to authority grnuted to the Commis·
slon by Executive Order 11130 dated November 20. 1063, and Joint Resolution
of Congress No. 137. I understand iliat Mr. Rankln sent you a letter last week
telling you I would be in touch with you, with which lie enclosed copies of those
documents plus copies of the rules of procedure pertaining to the taking of
testimony. I presume you did receive those documeuts wiU1 tbat letter, is that
correct?
Mr. CLA.l!K. Tho.t is right.
Mr. LTEBELER. I want to take your testimony in two basic areas; first, your
knowledge of Lee Oswnlcl gained as a result of somewho.t limited contact witl!
hlm, your knowledge of his relations with this s<rcalled Russian community
here in the Dallas-Fort Worth nrea, o.nd, two, to some extent, I want to ask
you o.bout your knowledge of Mr. George De Mohrenscblldt.
Mr. Lr.enELER. Would you state your full name, please?
Mr. CLARK. Max E. Clark.
Mr. LIEBELER. You are an attorney?
Mr. CLARK. Yes.
Mr. LrEDELER. A member of the Bar of Texas?
Mr. CLARK. Yes.
Mr. LIEnELER. Any other Stat e?
Mr. CLARK. No, I am licensed to pract ice in the Federal courts and American
Bar Association.
Mr. LIEnELER. And you maintain your offices in Fort Worth, Is that correct?
Mr. CLARK. That is correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. Wbat Is your h<>me address?
Mr. CLARK. 4312 Selkirk Drive West.
1\!r. LlEBELER. How long have you been a member of t he bo.r?
Mr. CLARK. Since 1030-now I have to stop and think--
Mr. LIEBELER. That's good enough ; tbnt's just fine, o.nd you nre a native-born
American, Mr. Clark?
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::-1/lo b:ld booo a laipl)od. P:a.co 166.
yt,,'"V!:STIC.\TIO:t: t:o t 'tOe:! • oU Ob !lCTYOd by A.OO).tll of
nurc:1u J)hot.oi;1':1Pb!l o"f thlncc tGlcon troa yhen he
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13. CL\l:t: 0!:\7;\ld :. rttrncd :.o J>;u: l\.no I!:l.tc9, pub lie
o-: c-:w;r::.pi1cr i n J uno, l!>G2. ha ud
b ..·.-:o:-:c ::1 "sec.r\lt.   or tho Uu : ed St:. t os covorru:cnt a.nd 'tb::t
bo soc:t ::;oir. -; to to r. ..:.;:::i :a. "fo r ll;l.Chincton.
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    !.!1s:J h Q!l. C:c:) i c d a nc':l:;papcr n :port
.J.:i:r..l.lu \.OlO ;lcr ml ":.110 tor tho Un1 tDd St3tCS Dc?ut .cc::.t
C'f .She b::::l ::;tivi!!Od tl1;.ft. ghC:l 03\.:.ld !S.r:Jt tole! h CT t!l:lt tho
D.:!?Ut :\cnt. :.dvl:.t.-d t11:1 he bo on 070 '\:bile in
lt'.J!:.Sl.:l   "th3.1 he worlo1n1; Q:L t h 1.hc Dup:l!"tcor.. t o::
she :- c.a11.::.oo lator th:a.t her v:a.s false.
b"" unc,     ::s
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1::> ob't:tio :1 -:-c<!:.!etion u: t ho   oP tho Uck&t. Go.J n c l:tl:::lS
thoo.t !.O?e:.. !".i: •   on a Uc"t o f tr.,,.o!ers erosslP:;
to-:- dcr irate :.tc:"::tco. l il :u!dl't\on. t..orte :: s t::tt:e d t h:a.t Qsw.l.ld eoo-
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t::cl1:x:: , -::rais-t. t for ":r11l:;!)Ort c:J FTontc:-a 1D
::c:dco C::t:: ,   bt• -..T<,':3 .. C.:r.ld" on :lJl October 2, 1 963,
1 est Of t.hC' bU!O lu·.c .
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o:f coul d r cco(;:.\=e i n a. photctyaph
:u J;:-ayono '.J.:>CO tbc bull :tnd di d a o t
C!;;fald o:\ tho bu:; :-aotod i n the rJn.ni.!4.:St.
15. CL\17.:: ,\t tho t iao ef tr .. p t o !:o:d.co !le
was uc.Gcr ... o1.r.co b)' tbo i'Dl. P:lt;O 110.
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su::-\Jc:!.;. } ::LnCO c:t t.;u.C: :lnd WD.S not "-g:l,r\tQd., in t be SCD.SG O!
a. 'i"!Ji s Bu:"03.U v:o.!l, o:t a l ert to inf'o!'=.a.t1ol1
vbieh -..oQ\!l.d l ndicat.c 'tbat a Soviet intoll :lconca uorv1.c:e ha.G an
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tO!\l'm•s to,.; EXHIBIT No. 2580-Cont.inued
UNITED ST,\TEll D>:P• RT)IF.!>T Of JUSTICE
n:ot.RAL JIUMEAU OY I"NVUTIC \Tin "
  Lee Ran)t.ln
GC::li:!t'it. l Cauoael
The President '•
210 J,l:lryland A'•cnuo, lior t ha .. et
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Apr\.l 2 , 1964
DY COURt ER SD!VI Cf.
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After t:ppln& t he 10 • • Bh8 1.0ld b U •be 'tJped
$10 wo r tb o f Juter ial aud • ould be glad t o \ )'pe \ btl re•a 1oder
o1 b ! • D.Gt•• Oil c r ed1t . II• • •• not • KT••alJ l e to t hia a nd p1clr.ed
up b 1a note• a nd typed pac••, paid her .. lth a $ 10 bill add left .
Se n.a.-er return..ad.
Attar typ1DI 'the notes, she a cnt1o.-jcd tb!.a t o her frltDd,
CAilOLIJ(I: JtAYlLTOM, •ho i a 1:1. reporter t or The rort Wo rtb ProRa.
L• ter
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CARCiloiME KAlUL:t'O!f told ter her people bad t rSad ua•ucc••• -
r ully to co nuet LEE os•ALD u •,ard1ni dUrJ.
After PrOIJ I. dont :r;:mnrn:.m.' ••g • e h• , •• con-
tacted b1 CAROLI1fE lL\¥It.TOl'f . Tbi& v;a s the !l!"ti t t!ml • h• ta ad
L.ttd up LI.B os.-.u..n •i t.h th• aBs ass1n3t1o n.
Oo tbe a tterooQo ot ?9, 1962, abe bad a re-
cor ded w1t b tbe t.elll \'1Gloa not• orlt in be r o1f1e•. Sb•
5i01Dted out the •tor1 b)' CABOLI"NE fi AllJ L'I'Olf 'l bi cD in tb•
Fort wortb Pro•• on Z9 . 1 903 is currac1. 1D •"ery detail
-. llb the o ne except ioD t h a t U E O!N" LD neveT stated be ••• worklDI
t e r t.bo United State s Suto   She e xp la ined In OSULD
&UUJ:t the St a t o Oopar tment reluet:an1. t o a ho b1ll a •1•• t ad
told bi• be • ould bo ou b'}.S o• ::. 11!'b 1le 1P Rueaia. l'r'OS tb18 atate-
.. p.:. abe a t tira t a5euaed be wa11 vorki.Dj; wltb tbe State l)tpart .. D,t
but l-ater realt..t e d her aaauc.p-: 1on • ·as ta.l.litl.
Abou-t 3:30 PV, No•eaber 29! abe received a pbon.
c a ll. at t-er o t!1c• tro:a a wooaan -.bo stated sbe -.a• llrt:· OS,ALD,
.ot.be r of t.EB OSJ',\lJ). ll,:'a. 05W'ALD &tilted "I c a nno't tell JOt.l wher e
l 1ua becauso 1 ao uuder securi"ty . 1 bea.rd an i nterview of
oJJ tbe rad i o re£"ardUII typ1cg L&E's .d1:ary. J bia
• • J1D& be bad a publiC a t enogra pber ty-pe • of bi • not • • · 1
wU1b J O'I.I 'WOUldn 't t a\Jt witb e uyoae abol.: t t bl• u.ntil I c a n t a l k
11i t b you. Other-ice JOU a.er bUrt bia "Wi dO'W and tbe cZ.ild.reu."
tuTIS l'l t a t ed she expl a 1oed to Jlra. OSffALJ) abe b ad
cria;io.al.lJ beau. i n t ervll•ed b)' a t ele'f15ion nen ork a a.d b ad rece1•• d
ilbOat. 100 t elepl\0110 c ._lla f rom the t·rOil a ll o·ur the
Utu.ted Statoe. Sbe al ao poin tec:l out tbet• wa a notb1DI' o1 a
deroa •torJ • 1a. any of ber t o tbe pr••• • a4 t el ....
'f'1110 d pgople. )Ira . os••LD De• •T if • h • Ue• whir-


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At 10 a.m., Mr. -M. w. GEORGE, 6769 Inverness
Street, telephone TA 3-9729
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otfice telephone LA 6-7268,
advised he owns a t£-J"W rant houses and apartments in
Dallas, among them one locate·d at 214 West Neeley Street,
and that from April 1, 1963·, to May 31, 1963, LEE HARVEY
resided at that address on May 31,
1963, without notice . Mr. GEORGE statep. since that time
+he apartment has b9:an vacant and padlocked
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however, he
:1as reason to believe that within the past two months
who had a key to the has been going into
the apartment, the :t•ea.son beiD.g unknown to Mr. GEORGE.
Mr. GEORGE stated after OSWALD moved he completely
cleaned the apartment and away all the trash on appx·o:xi -
mately June 2, 1963. He that sines someone has been
using ths apartment be thought the FBI might 1iko
to l ook through the     for possible scraps of evid€· !2 r>
although he pe:t'son.a1ly bad dona so on the evening of NoveiJ.b ::o ,_.
1963, without finding anything of value •
on _1_1_/_2_3_/_6_3 __ at __ D_a_l_l _:a_ s....:.,_T_e_x_a_s _______ File H DL 89-43

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youl!" aqency; it and ita contents a t" not to be distributed outalde your aqency.

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Subjec:trs return to the United States fro:! the .USSR.

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SUBJECT: [·1r. Lee Harvey Oswald
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1. It: makes little difference now, but/ .. '····-· had at one time an
] interest in Oswald •. As soon as I had heard OsHaHl' s naoe, I recalled
that ·as/. I had discussed sonetime in Slliumer 1960
with /. . . . , ... . ,tJ:te. layong
on of intervieH(s) through/. . or otheo; suitable channels. At t:he
J;Joment I don't recall if this was discussed while Oswald and his fami·1)"
were en route to our· coun1:ry of if it was .after their arrival. ·
2 •. I remember t:ha t Os.wald' s unusual behavior in the USSR had s·truck
me from the moment· I had read the first (dispatch on him, and I ·
told·. my .subordi'na1:es amounting to nnon 't push too hard· to get ··
the information .we' need,. because this individual looks .. oad." i l'le were .
particularly interested in the Oswald r.light· provide on thfo' . · ·
fac.tory in which he ha,d been employed, on certain sections of the city
and of ::ourse.'w: sought the usual[ {hat: might help develop .
.fo,.ni5n ;person-ahty . \3K)(;RAPHIC ..
3. I ,;as phasing into my·"\ a:x+ ;cover assignro'eny' .
at
the time; Thus, I would have left our country shortly after
I do not know what action developed thereafter.
Oswald's ariival.
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4. As an afterthought, I ·recall also that at the time I was becoming
increasingly in1:erested in watching develop a pattern "that He had discovered
in the course of our bio and research work/ : the nunber of Soviet
·women marrying foreigners, being permitted to· leave the USSR, then even1:ually
divorcing 1:heir spouses and settling dO\m abroad wi thou1: re1:urning. "home". ,,
The i · case was among the first of these·, and we even1:ually turned ·
up like two dozen similar . . ·. · · ·· , , : ..
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trend we had come across. It was par1:ly out of cur1os1ty 1:o learn 1r
Oswald's wife would actually accompany .. hio to our country, par1:ly out of
interest in   s own exper· p PS in the U SSR, that. we showed .,
intelligence in1:erest .in the arve}' story. l
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SUBJECT: 1-lr. Lee
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on of interview(s) through · r other sui table channels. At the
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1. It makes little · had at one time an
OI interest in Oswald. As soon· as I had heard Oswal6's name, I recalled
that as Chief of the 6 Branch I had discussed -- sometime in Summer 1960
with the then Chief and Dehtv of the 6 Research Section the laydmg
moment I don't recall if th s wa discussed while Oswald and his· fami·ly- ..
were en route· to our country of if it "(·as after their arrival.
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2. -I remember that Oswald
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s unusup beha"r":or in the USSR had struck "
me from the moment I had read the first\... ._J:lispatch on him, and I
told my subordinates something amounting to "Don
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the information we need, because this individual looks odd." / We "ere
. particularly interested in the OI Oswald might provide on thf' Hinslc ·
-factory in which he had been employed, on c.ertain sections of the city
itself, and of course we sought the usual BI that might help develop
target personality dossiers.
3. I was phasing in.to my( .•.• ]cover assignmen1:, and om: of[ ... J a1:
the time. Thus, I would have l;}t our country shortly after Oswald's arrival.
I do not know what action develop_ed thereafter.
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4. As an afterthought, I recall also that at the time I was becoming
increasingly interested in watching develop a pattern that we had discovered
in the course of our bio and re.search work in 6: the number of Soviet
women marrying foreigners, being permitted to leave the USSR, then eventually
divorcing spouses and settling down abroad without returning "home".
The(. · .. _ ase. was .among the first of and "e eventually turned ·
up something ike two dozen simil:;J l'le estaplished links bet;;een
some of these women and the KGB. l. interested .. in the developing
trend .,.e had come across.· was partly out of curiosity to learn if
Oswald's wife would actuany accompany him .to our country, partly out of
interest in   own in the USSR, that we showed operational
intelligence interest in the arve story.
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on of in1:erview(s) through r other suitable channels. A1: 1:he
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1, I1: li1:1:le   had a1: one 1:ime an
OI in1:eres1: in Oswald. As soon as I had heard Oswala's name, I recalled
1:ha1: as Chief of the 6 Branch I had discus5ed -- sometime in Summer 1960
wi1:h 1:he 1:hen Chief and Dek1:V of 1:he 6 Research Section the laydmg·
momen1: I don '1: recall if 1:h s wa discussed while Oswald and his fami-ly- ..
were en route· 1:0 our country of if it '(·as after 1:heir arrival.
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s unusup.J. beha>;tor in the USSR had s1:ruck "
me from 1:he moment I had read the on him, and I
1:old my subordina1:es something amounting 1:0 "Don
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the info=a1:ion we need, because this individual looks odd.") We were
. particularly interested in the OI Oswald might provide on thf' Minsk .
·factory in which ho had been employed, on sections of the ci1:y
i1:self, and of course we sough1: the usual BI tha1: migh1: help develop
1:arge1: personali1:y dossiers.
3. I was phasing im:o my( .•. -.1cover assignment, and out ofC __ .J at
1:he 1:ime. Thus, I would have our country shortly af1:er Oswald's arrival.
I do no1: know wha1: action develop.ed 'thereafter.
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4. As an afterthought, I recall also that at the 'time I was becoming
increasingly in1:eres1:ed in watching develop a pattern that we had discovered
in the course of our bio and research work in 6: the number of Soviet
women marrying foreigners, being permitted to leave the USSR, then eventually
divorcing spouses and set1:ling down abroad without returning "home".
The (. · .. _ ase. was .among the first of and we eventually turned ·
up something ike dozen We estaplished links bet!ieen
some of 1:hese women and the KGB. l ')>ecame interested_.in the developing
trend -we had across.· was partly out of curiosity to learn if
Oswald's >life would actually accompany him .to our country, partly out of
interest in Oswald's own in USSR, that we showed operational
intelligence interest in the arve story,

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Eureau letter to all offices, dated March 24, 1960,
entitled, "SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS OF INDIVIDUALS," requested
New York to obtain subscription lists · of "The Worker" and to
turn1sb the identities of JSU"oscribers ·to appropriate offices.
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receipt of this 1nformt1on are set forth in
Bureau letter.
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